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Dave.Bottoms
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 Posted - 09/20/2005 : 22:06:46
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Bill,
One has only to use the search function on NACHI's forum to know the truth about Wand's plans to disrupt the N.I. and hurt the HI profession in Canada by helping Nick's company. It's all right there for anyone to read and it's been going on for years.
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Dave.Bottoms
106 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2005 : 22:08:56
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Originally posted by Raymond.Wand
Mr. Bottoms
My membership status and renewal choices are none of your business.
As to my Retired status that too is none of your business.
Raymond Wand R.H.I.
Actually, Ray, I already know the answers to my questions. 
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Bill.Mullen
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Posted - 09/20/2005 : 22:23:52
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Mr. Wand has already run to his American friends with a copy of the nasty things he thinks we're saying about him and his Yankee buddies.
He now has them so confused they think the National Initiative is all about Government Housing similar to HUD in the Excited States. That just proves how dangerous a small amount of erroneous information can be.
The fact that he has such a naive, believing audience on the NACHI Forum speaks volumes for their desparation and willingness to drink from any Koolaid cup that looks good.
The Nickster has them dancing on the end of his strings like good little puppets.
Bill Mullen
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Dave.Bottoms
106 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 07:42:13
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Once again Wand is playing the part of mole, running information from this closed, private, for-members-only forum to his NACHI handlers. I'm surprised the forum moderator lets him continue to get away with this.
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Raymond.Wand
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Posted - 09/21/2005 : 07:55:13
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Do either one of you two have any morals?
You know you wouldn't get caught in lies if you only learned to keep quiet. You are like a pack of Wolf's, you get in a feeding frenzy and go wild with unsubstantiated rumour, lies, and speculation.
I would like to know how you two can thumb your noses at the forum rules, and seem to get away with it?
Mr. Bottoms your role as Editor in Chief has gone to your head. You should resign under the circumstances for your outright lies, your threats and the other documented incidences you have partaken in towards me. Again why don't you tell the fine members how I and another had to report you to the police and your internet provider? You seem to be unable to comprehend right from wrong.
Mr. Mullens you seem to be pretty much in the same boat as Mr. Bottoms in having the knack to make up any lie you wish and to distort the by-laws for your own misguided agenda. It is clear to me you two have no intention of following the COE, nor the forum rules, that makes you both hypocrites.
Carry on.
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Dave.Bottoms
106 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 10:04:33
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Wand,
On numerous occasions (too many to count) you have complained about membership apathy, how no one seems interested in standing up for what's right. Well, here I am standing up to your blatant abuse of your membership status in the name of all those RHIs who have to pay the full membership fee to use that acronym. Shouldn't you be patting me on the back rather than whining that I'm picking on you?
You keep bringing up my CAHPI volunteer work, for some reason. For the record, no one made my volunteer work conditional on me giving up my right to free speech. I reserve the right to express my personal opinions here and anywhere else I choose, and my opinions have absolutely nothing to do with my position within this or any other association. If you don't like it, well guess what: Too Bad! In the future, do try to grasp that concept, will ya?
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Raymond.Wand
442 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 12:11:09
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Mr. Bottoms
Once again you show your complete ignorance. You claim I am misusing my membership, yet you refuse to lodge a complaint. I am sorry you have trouble interpreting the by-laws and PR 158. It is clear you are intentionally misleading everyone for your own misguided purposes. Not only are you deliberately misquoting the rules you have taken it upon yourself to intimidate, utter threats and misuse this forum to spred your ill will. I am a member in good standing, and again I have rights and privileges as a member. If you can't comprehend those rights too bad.
I have never mentioned or degraded volunteering in so far as CAHPI or Oahi. Again please provide proof that I have specifically stated this.
The only recognition you seem to be enjoying is telling lies, using this forum contrary to the rules. Just who do you think you are snubbing your nose at the rules? You still haven't explained to the members why you have found it necessary to utter threats, intimidate, and send email viruses. You have much accounting to account for. Oahi and CAHPI are well aware of your actions.
As to free speech yes you have that right, but you do not have the right to make false allegations under the guise of free speech.
Unlike you I have spoken to the DPPC and they assure me that the article in the Ontario Inspector relating to Retired Status were not directed at me, nor do they have any outstanding complaints against me. I can reference the contents of that email if you wish, and it will show that earlier statements by you are without merit and totally unfounded. Again this would put you in a position you cannot defend considering your actions and statements.
Now do everyone a favour and stop using this board to defame, and slander.
Raymond Wand R.H.I.
Alton, ON
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Dave.Bottoms
106 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 15:27:51
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Originally posted by Raymond.Wand
Mr. Bottoms
Once again you show your complete ignorance. You claim I am misusing my membership, yet you refuse to lodge a complaint. Raymond Wand R.H.I.
Alton, ON
I don't need to file a complaint. Everyone on the DPPC is well aware of your transgression. Heck, they even posted a warning in the OAHI July newsletter about it, and again in the upcoming CHI Magazine.
You keep suggesting that I am unable to understand the bylaws, but it was not me who stated that members holding Retired RHI status are not to be actively inspecting, it was the Tom Lloyd, as head of the DPPC. I suggest that you should give him and the rest of the DPPC and BOD a lesson on interpreting the bylaws. You obviously know something they don't.
It all comes down to the following:
1. Retired RHIs are permitted to continue inspecting and continue calling themselves RHIs, as you suggest, or...
2. Retired RHIs should not be actively performing inspections, and if they decide to start back up should immediately upgrade to RHI status once again, as stated by Tom Lloyd, Chair of the DPPC.
So which is it? It can't be both, obviously. If you are right, then the DPPC is wrong. If the DPPC is right, then you are abusing your membership privileges.
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Bill.Mullen
83 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 17:24:59
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Sometimes, as we stroll along the "high road" on our way to our successful destiny, we may find ourselves hounded along the way by inferior beings who are jealous of our successes and are intent upon bringing us down to their level, since they have little hope of ever raising themselves to ours.
Some have the strength to ignore these annoyingly negative dregs and stay focused upon the goal that lies ahead.
At times, however, even the best of us will have occasion to pause and step off the road for a second for the sheer pleasure of stomping the living ---- out of the little turds and returning a little bit of the aggravation we have had to endure, before getting back on the high road and continuing along on our journey.
Someone sent the above to me and I think it reflects exactly how many of us feel about R & R Carnival of Crap. That being said, Wand and his Kooky buddy can continue to drag the good inspectors down to their level all they want. Just like in the movies, the good guys are going to win this one, and that will be very evident very soon.
Wand can continue his brain-addled garble all he wants. I have better things to do than argue with this person who means to do us all harm.
I apologize to the Ontario members for participating in this exercise in futility. Maybe he'll just slink away if he has nobody to argue with. I doubt it, but we can hope.
Bill Mullen RHI
CAHPI - The Voice of Canadian Home Inspectors
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Raymond.Wand
442 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 17:31:07
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Wrong again liar! I have checked with the DPPC here is the reply I received below. Once again you are quite prepared to post outright lies based on your animosities. You have continued to show your ignorance and your contempt for the by-laws, and the forum rules. Remarkably it is most strange how you are permitted to abuse the privilege.
From the DPPC...
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As you well know any matter of this magnitude as to the suspension of a member must be held before a hearing. I do not believe that I said that you were practicing as a retired member. What I did say was that this article was directed at all the members who are violating the By-Laws and Polices. Without these items anarchy would run wild and we just might as well close our doors as individuals and as associations. And to answer your question proper protocols will always be taken as long as I am in the position to defend the actions. Remember the By-Laws and prcedures are to run the association effectivly as well as protect the membership as well as the general population.
The member who is in charge of the Cafe is aware of what is transpiring. I do not have any more say over it than you do. It has been set up so as there would be no concieved biased towards any member.....
The statement regarding pissing matches was once again not directed at you but was a statement regarding how much crap we have to deal with between some members who think we are to be their personal referee.
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Raymond, please be assured that I will do every thing in my power to keep things as fair as possible for all parties involved. Rest assured no one pulls my strings but myself. A fair and equitable system is what makes a system strong. I do not care personally who might get pissed off by my actions, weather it may be *******, *********, any BOD or even you. My loyalties is to the association and doing what ever I can to continue the rappid and strong growth that we have had in the last while.
The fact remains you do not know what I am doing, you only think you do. You have made it a well known fact you are not prepared to do anything other than shoot your big mouth off. You are not the sharpest knife in the draw, and you played the same games on another forum. You should resign your post as Editor of the Canadian Home Inspector Magazine as you have tarnished the position and the industry.
Have a nice evening and thank you for proving yourself to be a liar!
To the other members who have to endure this crap you can see for yourself the extent some members are willing to go to bury truth, freedom of choice, and freedom of association. This is clearly not about the National but its all about the ability of two members to subvert the truth. Nice to know its tolerated.
Raymond Wand R.H.I.
Alton, ON
http://www.raymondwand.ca
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