ASHI's letter to our attorney.

[Nick Gromicko]

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:55:53 -0600
From: "Angela Orlando" <angelao@ashi.org>
Subject: ASHI CE
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Dear Mr. Ferry -

Thank you for your submission for ASHI Continuing Education Approval. As our records indicate that you are in fact affiliated as a legal provider for the National Association of Certified Home Inspectors, we cannot - for obvious reasons - approve your request. I realize that this conflict of interest was ignored in the past by our former Director of Education, however, we are now being more aware/stringent with our acceptance of submissions.

Regards,


ANGELA M. ORLANDO, CMP
Director of Meetings and Education
American Society of Home Inspectors, Inc.

932 Lee Street, Suite 101
Des Plaines, IL 60016
Voice: (847) 954-3187
Fax: (847) 759-1620
E-mail: angelao@ashi.org

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[James H. Bushart]

Yep. Sounds like just a small minor mistake to me. Glad to know that Scott Patterson has this cleared up for us.

[Nick Gromicko]

Brion Grant, ASHI's 2008 President emailed me today. We then spoke on the phone. He assured me that Angela acted alone, is mistaken, and that a formal letter that we can use to point to, to explain that courses like Joe's are accepted by ASHI for CE purposes to the benefit of their own members and their member's clients.

Brion is a class act 100% all the way IMHO (not like me, roughly 65% class ) and I believe him.

I hope to receive the letter soon and will be very proud to post it here.

[ekartal6]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Brion Grant, ASHI's 2008 President emailed me today. We then spoke on the phone. He assured me that Angela acted alone, is mistaken, and that a formal letter that we can use to point to, to explain that courses like Joe's are accepted by ASHI for CE purposes to the benefit of their own members and their member's clients.

Brion is a class act 100% all the way IMHO (not like me, roughly 65% class ) and I believe him.

I hope to receive the letter soon and will be very proud to post it here.

Nick,

I don't know Brion but I hear he's a straight shooter.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Brion Grant, ASHI's 2008 President emailed me today. We then spoke on the phone. He assured me that Angela acted alone, is mistaken, and that a formal letter that we can use to point to, to explain that courses like Joe's are accepted by ASHI for CE purposes to the benefit of their own members and their member's clients.

Brion is a class act 100% all the way IMHO (not like me, roughly 65% class ) and I believe him.

I hope to receive the letter soon and will be very proud to post it here.

You have a paid staff, Nick.

Do you really...in your heart of hearts....believe that this girl "took it upon herself" without at least having reason to believe that she had the agreement and support of those above her for the words she wrote to Joe Ferry when returning his application?

I'll bet you a Diet Coke that she is being made the scapegoat while others have decided to change direction and allow these CEUs.

[Nick Gromicko]

I don't know because I don't know her or most others at ASHI HQ. I did meet Brion in Philadelphia when we fought side by side against the little for-profit association out of Minneapolis and their attempt to secretly get ASTM to rewrite our respective SOPs, and I spoke with him today on the phone. I find him to be very honorable like his predecessor Frank Lesh. I am often critical of ASHI and their recent changing our long standing approval reciprocity really stinks. But I give them credit where credit is due and they're 2 for 2 in choosing very fine current and immediate past presidents IMHO.

I'll be rushing to open the mail next week with my fingers crossed.

[James H. Bushart]

Whether a legitimate mistake or a change of heart...the end result is certainly acceptable.

Upon receipt of your letter, will you be recommending to Joe F. that he reconsider his course review plan?

[Nick Gromicko]

Well, assuming the letter says what Brion and I think it will say... yes.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Well, assuming the letter says what Brion and I think it will say... yes.

I am glad that our battles in New Hampshire and our challenging the ASHI "One Way street" has lead to this outcome.

Without us bringing our struggle for RECIPROCITY out in the open things would have continued "As is" with ASHI calling all of the shots with regards to them not approving our CEU's.

Nick,
I am glad that you went to the wall with this issue and threatened to force members to make a choice.

I can garen-damn-tee-u that after Scott Patterson stuck his nose in it that ASHI HQ sat up and took notice.

Anyway .... If I see any more "chinks in the armor" I will bring them to your attention.

[Joe Farsetta]

Nick,

Scott did indeed try to help us. I think this is, quite frankly, beyond him. He has told me he doesnt support this posture, and I personally do not know what ASHI's problem is.

To date, Angela Orlando has yet to directly respond to me. She deferred it to the currend Education Commitee Chairman, who sent me an e-mail is 180 degrees opposite Angela's correspondence to Joe Ferry.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Believe it or not I am a member of the NAR and MAR. I never paid any dues to them. I never signed up. I am an affiliate member of the local board of realtors. I just needed a lock box key. Every year a get a bill for dues from the local board. I cross out the NAR and MAR and just pay the local dues. I even have a NAR ID number that I can access their website with the members only section of their website. Not much there. Their members are definely getting screwed for the money they pay. If I am a member of NAR I bet there are ASHI inspectors that are on their roles too. I think they make us a member for they can make their group look bigger when they lobby for bills that screws over the consumer.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jrichards

I was quoting a rant that Nick had made on a previous post.

I think it was actually YOUR "rant" in response to Nick's clearly stated position, Mr. Richards.

[Nick Gromicko]

John, to reply to your

Keep doing all of the fantastic things that you have done for the members of this association. I truly appreciate the benefits and education available. I'm just sick of all the BS.

Note: that I quoted you "in context" from a post you actually made in this conversation and didn't sneak partial comments in from a different thread.

Let me ask a question of you since you are an ASHI member. Since all the B.S. I had to go through appears to have succeeded in getting YOU, YOUR CE approval from ASHI for courses you take from InterNACHI... will you now turn them down? Or will you tell ASHI, "no thanks, I don't want your approval" The hair I got up my... was because YOU were being harmed.

Anyway, you've convinced me that I should do something in Jacksonville, thanks. I'll give them till the end of next week to get the letter out and then that "hair in my ..." as you put it will cause me to drop the first nuke on Jacksonville. I'm email blasting the "Dear agent... Look for this no-entrance-requirement logo when choosing a home inspector and avoid it if you don't want to be sued for negligent referral" article to all the agents in Jacksonville on next Monday. Try to get in as much inspection work as you can by then. Duel members like you in Jacksonville should either dig a bunker, delete your other logo, or call your other association and tell them hurry up. Like you said, it's your business decision. The "kick out all duel members" idea was a little grenade and merciful compared to our other weapons of mass destruction which help InterNACHI-only members win. I could have just as easily armed this warhead http://www.nachi.org/forum/f13/good-article-you-should-post-your-website-and-send-local-real-estate-agents-25482/ with nukes, and probably should have. Anyway, I'm climbing into the Enola Gay as we speak.

[dharris]

Anyway, you've convinced me. I'll give them till the end of next week to get the letter out and then that "hair in my ..." as you put it will cause me to drop the first nuke on Jacksonville. I'm email blasting the "Dear agent... Look for this no-entrance-requirement logo when choosing a home inspector and avoid it if you don't want to be sued for negligent referral" article to all the agents in Jacksonville on next Monday. Try to get in as much inspection work as you can by then. Duel members like you in Jacksonville should either dig a bunker, delete your other logo, or call your other association and tell them hurry up. Like you said, it's your business decision. The "kick out all duel members" idea was a little grenade and merciful compared to our other weapons of mass destruction. I could have just as easily armed this warhead http://www.nachi.org/forum/f13/good-article-you-should-post-your-website-and-send-local-real-estate-agents-25482/ with nukes. Anyway, I'm climbing into the Enola Gay as we speak.

Who cares what RE agents think?
You are now marketing nachi members to RE agents? I thought that was only done by ashi.
I wonder how the legistlators in states that are looking at HI regulation, look at wanna be inspectors, that auctually believe by taking your on-line quiz, and promising you to do other non-verified things, and then just pay you $s to be instantlly marketed to their residents as "certified" after seeing common posts like this.

does anyone have any good ideas or subjects i can study for the exam, even the practice one i didnt get a good enough score,
ive searched for many of the answers through out my study information and couldnt locate some things anywhere... if you can help i would really appriciate it considering im trying to get out on the field within the next 30 days or so

Or your policy to gain inspectors with no verificiation of HI training or providing proof of any experience.
No law requires you to publicly announce what your InterNACHI member level is so you are simply a "Member.
"[Simply a member, that you market to the public as a "certified inspector." by paying you $s
Also, no law recognizes experience and knowledge gained outside the performance of inspections (many inspectors were once involved in construction). Since every inspector's experience is different there is likely no correlation between real experience and level of membership. Furthermore, since no law requires a public disclosure of an inspector's experience (or lack of it),
InterNACHI does not require it either. If you are only a new working member you need not alarm your clients. If you are a full member there is nothing preventing you from touting it

[Joe Farsetta]

John Richards,

have your chapter president contact me. I'd be happy to travel to Jacksonville and teach a class or two. Whenever you like.

I can also teach centrally. If there is interest, I'll go to Orlando. There just needs to be some interest.

If you want to speak directly, call me at 303-591-9919

Joe F