Builders and Real Estate Agents Conspire to Kill Fire Fighters

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Its OK Michael , I will still try and assist you .
If you remind me in 6 months I will try and get you a pin .

No thanks Roy.

We're done and you know why.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by mlarson

No thanks Roy.

We're done and you know why.

No idea and care less you are showing your true colours and show you lack the ability to have a discussion.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by rcooke

No idea and care less you are showing your true colours and show you lack the ability to have a discussion.

Then your memory truly is shot.

Time to hang it up.

[James H. Bushart]

Roy, I want to thank you for your contributions to this discussion. You guys are way ahead of us in energy efficiency and home safety in Canada...which is probably why Americans pay more attention to a particular Canadian contractor than anyone here in the states.

I know that when I lived in St. Louis, I took minimum basic building standards for granted and thought that they were more or less observed everywhere until I began to work in other parts of my state where I have seen commercial buildings with Romex hanging out the window and run to the service line at the pole to provide electricity to water heaters.

We don't have the money to outspend the lobbyists who fight attempts to bring these areas to today's standards and our discussions will still offend some folks who perceive advancement as an encroachment upon their right to be backwards....but still, we press on.

As I posted earlier, the International Code Council will be including this requirement in every residential code it publishes from this point on. And with every new code, lobbyists will be spending and spending and spending until eventually they begin to see how well these advanced properties sell. Let them pump that money into our economy. We need it to help pay for these upgrades, once they are eventually accepted.

Cities all over the country are beginning to require energy audits before a home is sold, as well....and that is really angering some....until they see how quickly that their homes are selling when they are disclosing their improvements and energy efficiency ratings. After you read the real estate salesman's lamentations.....read the comments that follow. You'll have the whole picture. Still, in spite of the pluses, states that have passed similar laws are still getting a fight from...well....guess which lobbying group. Ask yourself who is being served by the PAC money that is being spent in instances such as that in Nevada. Not the consumer, that's for sure.

Thanks for your participation.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Thanks to James and the others ,Those that agree and those who do not .
Talking asking questions is great and it get us all thinking .
I enjoy the trading of thoughts it helps me and others to learn .
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[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

Originally Posted by jpope

The additional tank (5K gals.) and pump is another $5K roughly, so I can see $11K as "prohibitive" for some areas.

Just had a bid done for this exact thing. The access to my lot narrows to 12' past the wetlands. Fire Department requires 15' so in order to build our new home, we gladly agreed to a sprinkler system. (much cheaper than filling and adding other wetlands) Property is on a well. Total cost, including 5k gallon tank, pump, separate dedicated electrical service and all plumbing was $5950.00.

Home is 1,893 sq ft with full unfinished basement.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Assuming you have kids and/or grandkids, I wonder if you or Roy let them into your homes that have no fire protection system.

WOW that is low and so uncalled for.
You have a great distasteful sense of humor, and that is implying it was meant as humor.
If not it was in bad taste and calls of an apology.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by ryoung7

WOW that is low and so uncalled for.
You have a great distasteful sense of humor, and that is implying it was meant as humor.
If not it was in bad taste and calls of an apology.

It was to make a salient point that often those who advocate control of others do not practice the same for themselves. They are internally inconsistent.

I am sorry for any offense as that was not the purpose of the post.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by sstanczyk

Just had a bid done for this exact thing. The access to my lot narrows to 12' past the wetlands. Fire Department requires 15' so in order to build our new home, we gladly agreed to a sprinkler system. (much cheaper than filling and adding other wetlands) Property is on a well. Total cost, including 5k gallon tank, pump, separate dedicated electrical service and all plumbing was $5950.00.

Home is 1,893 sq ft with full unfinished basement.

WOW!! Great information Stephen , Much appreciated that works out at $3;14 a sq foot ,Sprinkler system and holding tank .

Glad for you well done .... Thanks Roy
I am sure your Insurance company will love you.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

That is all right Mr.Larson.
I knew you were a man of credible honor.
I let out comments sometimes that belittle myself.
I think you for that honesty.

[James H. Bushart]

Our chapter of the Southwest Missouri Code Officials will be having a training session on 12/7/10 on the inspection of residential sprinkler systems in Springfield, MO at the fire department.

It's worth 7 CEUs to members. Any area inspectors wanting more details can email me.

Meanwhile, the Missouri Association of Realtors announced their intention to use money paid to them by their members to fight to keep this requirement out of as many jurisdictions as they can as their #1 legislative priority for 2011, God love 'em.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by sstanczyk

Just had a bid done for this exact thing. The access to my lot narrows to 12' past the wetlands. Fire Department requires 15' so in order to build our new home, we gladly agreed to a sprinkler system. (much cheaper than filling and adding other wetlands) Property is on a well. Total cost, including 5k gallon tank, pump, separate dedicated electrical service and all plumbing was $5950.00.

Home is 1,893 sq ft with full unfinished basement.

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