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[Scott Patterson]

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Re: Proposed Change to NACHI COE
ASHI national changed its policy yesterday and now no longer accepts any CE flown under the banner of another trade association, regardless of how high the quality is in the course offering.
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Hi all,

I know that it won't do much good trying to set the record straight, but I'm going to give it a try.

Nick has the wrong information. ASHI has not changed any policy. ASHI will allow any education that their members attend to count toward CE hours as long as it has to do with our profession. If a person attends a class that is put on by NACHI, NAHI, AII, TAREI, CREIA, FABI, or whoever they will get credit for it.

Now the issue of a person/company having to pay for their course to be approved for an ASHI CE is and has always been in place if the provider is going to advertise it and promote that it is or has been approved by ASHI. If the person/company who is putting it on is going to make money off the course by advertising that it is approved by ASHI, why shouldn't a fee be paid.

Hope this clears a few things up.

Scott

Oh, and maybe the following emails will help some understand what is going on. This is better than anything on TV!

From:
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:01 PM
To: FCarrio@Comcast.net; jjf10965@yahoo.com
Subject: Follow-up to InterNACHI CEU controversy



To: Mr. Farsetta & Mr. Carrio
Cc: New England Home Inspectors
From: Bob MacDonald


I have received both your emails (shown below), and I just want to get this straight.

You are going to deny your own members CEU’s for a legitimate seminar, because you don’t like something that I, or my business partner may or may not have said at a legislative hearing???

Your website clearly states:
Qualifying Continuing Education

InterNACHI's qualifying subject matter is quite broad. Anything reasonably deemed to be inspection-related can be considered qualifying including CEU's earned for other inspection associations, construction seminars, and code enforcement training. Courses, classes, and seminars all qualify. Example: A mold seminar that lasts 2 hours qualifies as 2 hours of continuing education. InterNACHI Chapter meetings qualify for 1 hour of continuing education (even though they last longer). If you are an education provider or school and seek free approval from InterNACHI, visit: http://www.nachi.org/educationseal.htm

There are no forms to complete, no instructions on what to do to get a seminar approved, just the policy listed above.

You now want to change this national policy JUST FOR US, unless we give a public apology for alleged statements against InterNACHI.

I’m no lawyer, but that sounds like discrimination to me.

If you want to change your national policy for everyone, we will certainly abide by this new policy, but before paying any fees, I will have to check with the NH Attorney General’s Office and ASHI National to see if one group can be singled out in this manner.

To any InterNACHI home inspectors who are planning on attending Thursday’s seminar:
Although your national website clearly approves this seminar, I cannot guarantee that InterNACHI will honor any certificate provided. What InterNACHI does to its own members is out of our control, but you are always welcome to attend our seminars.

Sincerely,

Bob MacDonald
NNEC-ASHI President






From: FCarrio [mailto:FCarrio@Comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:26 AM
To: NACHINH@COMCAST.COM
Cc: 'Office'
Subject: ASHI COURSE IS REJECTED!

To All Home Inspectors in New England;
FOR THE RECORD
After receiving an E-Mail with misleading information from ASHI President Bob Mac Donald I have just spoke to Mr. Joe Farsetta who is the Director of Professional Development for NACHI and Mr. Nick Gromicko owner / Founder of NACHI.
For your information;
1. John Bowman is no longer the Executive Director of NACHI and has notitle or holdsno office with NACHI.
2. John Bowman does not now, nor has he ever been able to “speak for NACHI New Hampshire”, nor does he speak for, or represent NACHI National!
Due to the unique and well document long standing adversarial role taken on by the ASHI Northern New England Chapter here is what we agreed to;
At approximately 10:23 PM. EST Via telephone. Mr. Nick Gromicko owner / founder of NACHI confirmed that as the President of the New Hampshire State Chapter of NACHI I have the authority to accept or reject any and all “ASHI sponsored Educational courses” for the State of New Hampshire.
I relayed this information to Mr. Joe Farsetta and he agreed that this is a “State matter.”
I had requested that Bob MacDonald / ASHI send me written “information” {a lesson plan, curriculum etc.} on this seminar and so far they have refused.
ØThis matter is closed and NO NACHI CEU’s will be accepted for this seminar and any other ASHI seminar until the criteria listed below are met foreach andevery “educational event!”

In the future {as in the past} if ASHI wants us to honor their seminars they must on a “seminar by seminar” basis;
1. Submit a lesson plan / core curriculum for the seminar.
2. ASHI charges $25.00 per CEU for “review” of the material.We will reciprocate. So there will be a $175.00 charge to review this material.
3. A money order or cashier’s check made out to NACHI-NH must accompany this material.
4. Submit a bio of the instructor.
Period end of story!
Ø Be advised that NACHI will not honor this seminar forany CEU credits.
NOTE:
If you will notice that this E-Mail was generated by “Omnispect.” Which is a company owned and operated by Joseph Bates and Bob MacDonald. Both of whom are the founders of ASHI Northern New England.
Ø Many of our New Hampshire NACHI members can testify that they have witnessed the clearly adversarial role that that both of them have taken when they have gone before the New Hampshire House and Senate and slandered and disparaged our association by “testifying” that;
1. NACHI is made up of “A bunch of part time inspectors.”
2. NACHI has an on line “Quiz” that is a joke.
3. The NACHI “on line Quiz” is open for fraud.
4. The “Answers for the on line Quiz” are for sale on the internet.
5. This month, Joe Bates sent an extremely disparaging E-Mail about our associations and members to all of our New Hampshire Senators.
Bates and MacDonald have formed a phony “Independent Coalition” that they have used to REPEATEDLY slander and attack NACHI as an association and NACHI members individually.
Once they Publically apologize for these actions then and only then will we as a State Chapter seek to have any professional interaction with them.

Sincerely,
Frank Carrio CMI
Certified Master Inspector
Certified Commercial Building Inspector
Founder & President New Hampshire State Chapter of;
The International Association of Certified Home Inspectors


From: joe farsetta [mailto:jjf10965@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:06 PM
To: office@omnispect.net
Cc: nick; FCarrio@Comcast.net
Subject: Questions and Concerns; A follow-up to my last e-mail




Mr. MacDonald,



As a follow-up to my previous e-mail regarding any "automatic" approval to any course you offer, and the viability of said course(s) for NACHI credit, I am compelled to ask you a general question, which I feel demands an answer. You answer will ultimately dictate whether or not your course is approved by this association.



Specifically, please explain your testimony before the ED&A Committee in 2005 (I believe), wherein you stated that NACHI-NH was comprised of part time inspectors and the NACHI on-line exam was little more than a joke. Worse than that, you testified that the exam was rife with opportunity for fraud, and that the answers were for sale on the Internet.



If these statements were indeed made by you, they are, at best, inflamatory. At worst, they would be grounds for you to be dismissed from this ord as a member.



So, now you want us to approve your courses. Let me think a bit. Hmmm. I am being generous here. What were your intentions and motives for making these statements? How ironic that you now seek to market your own wares to our members. Ponderous would be a better definition for your actions.



You need to answer these questions. Be advised that Mr. Bowman holds no position of authority in NACHI, and cannot and does not speak for the education committee or to any policy of or within this organization. While our policy is quite liberal, NACHI is not a doormat either.



If what is alleged regarding your testimony is true, your courses will NOT be approved by NACHI. If they are accurate, then we will ask you to post a retraction to your members, with a copy to ASHI NATIONAL, and with permission to post it on the NACHI Message Board. After these actions, the courses may be approved, but the former must be completed before the latter can be granted



Until the matter is cleared up, do not advertise that your courses are approved for NACHI CEUs, as they will not be accepted by any member submitting them, and the NACHI-NH President has permission to warn members that CEU credits will NOT be given to NACHI attendees for NACHI educational CEUs.



It is within NACHI's right to approve or disapprove courses on a case by case basis. It is unfortunate that things got to this level. I am confident that, if you seek NACHI approval, it will be granted so long as interaction between our respective orgs are on an even keel.



I hope you appreciate our position on the matter.



Joe Farsetta

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Please post proof from this from ASHI.

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

Thanks Scott!

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

This is better than anything on TV!

You are right, Scott. It is hilarious to think that your ASHI representatives can be stupid enough to think that there is some law - equivalant to the Civil Rights Act - that makes discrimination against ASHI a crime.

While your members are quickly becoming what would qualify as an "endangered species", there is no law against outright rejecting an ASHI member for nothing more than his poor decision to be member of your association.

I know of two real estate agents who do it regularly...right in the middle of ASHI-owned St. Louis.

You're right. This is quite entertaining, indeed.

[Peter C. Russell]

Not to mention that every NACHI NH members has heard the disparaging email sent to all of our state senators. This email was sent out by Omnispec AKA Bob MacDonald and Joe Bates.

I actually had it read to me by my state senator and I have to admit I was floored.

I have talked to both Bob and Joe in the halls of the State house recently and both had told me we all need to work together, lets bury the hatchet, come to our seminars, ETC. Then to have this hog wash read to me was a slap in the face.

The actions of these two individuals have lead me to believe I can never trust anyone connected to ASHI and I for one look forward to their demise.

Besides their fake coalition and their outrageous lies to our Senators only one word comes to mind, liars!!!!!!!!

JMHO

[Nick Gromicko]

Scott Patterson writes

Nick has the wrong information. ASHI has not changed any policy. ASHI will allow any education that their members attend to count toward CE hours as long as it has to do with our profession. If a person attends a class that is put on by NACHI, NAHI, AII, TAREI, CREIA, FABI, or whoever they will get credit for it.

Scott, thanks for posting. Are you denying that Angela at ASHI National said as much to us? Or are you saying that she does not speak for ASHI?

Which?

[Nick Gromicko]

Scott, I hate to say that you are full of ***** but...

----- Original Message -----
From: Judy Kirby
To: gromicko@msn.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: ASHI CEU's


Nick,

To the best of my recollection Angela told me she would never approve InterNACHI events, classes or any education for ASHI credits. This was after our Missoula Conference and before the Boulder Conference.

Sincerely,
Judy Kirby
Conference Coordinator

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[Nick Gromicko]

Scott... pick one please...

1. I, Scott Patterson, am full of *****.
2. ASHI National's Angela is a lying loose cannon and no longer speaks for ASHI.
3. Nick and Angela are correct, ASHI National has recently changed its CE policy.

Which one from the list above are you saying is true Scott?

[Nick Gromicko]

And another...

Joe Farsetta in Misc forum writes today:

Bottom line is that I have in my posession direct correspondence from ASHI that they will not approve courses flown under the banner of a competing organization. This came from ASHI HQ.

Are you sure you're not full of ***** Scott?

[Scott Patterson]

Originally Posted by gromicko

And another...

Joe Farsetta in Misc forum writes today:

Are you sure you're not full of ***** Scott?

Nick, fourtently I'm not as full of it as you are.

The problem has been resolved it was a simple case of miscommunication with a person in a new job postion. I spoke with Joe today and he should have everything he needs. As for the issues in NH, I don't think anyone can do much for those folks.

If I can ever be of any help to anyone please let me know.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

Nick, fourtently I'm not as full of it as you are.

LOL

A new person on the job....who decided on their own that ASHI will not accept anything from NACHI, and was confident enough in that to pass it on by phone? Right.

Scott Patterson.....Scott Patterson....Now I remember....It was Scott Peterson who killed his pregnant wife and child and tried to convince the world that it was just an innocent mistake. What a coincidence.

Fourtently, he got caught and is on death row.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Scott Patterson writes
Quote:
Nick has the wrong information. ASHI has not changed any policy. ASHI will allow any education that their members attend to count toward CE hours as long as it has to do with our profession. If a person attends a class that is put on by NACHI, NAHI, AII, TAREI, CREIA, FABI, or whoever they will get credit for it.
End Quote:

Originally Posted by gromicko

Scott, thanks for posting. Are you denying that Angela at ASHI National said as much to us? Or are you saying that she does not speak for ASHI?

Which?

Nick,
The past is the past ..... at one time Scott MIGHT have had the power to speak for ASHI but now ..... Scott Patterson holds NO OFFICE and does NOT speak for ASHI .

• He is just a another "member" who has completed at least 250 home inspections.
  {Well Maybe... who really knows or even cares }

The bottom line is that ....ASHI National HQ was contacted about this matter and they said that they would not accept any CEU's from ANY "Trade Association".

Scott does not hold any position with ASHI and contradicts ASHI HQ. Who do you believe ... Scott or ASHI HQ?

Also .... "The Proof is in the Pudding."

How long has NACHI existed? How many Seminars. conventions, lectures has NACHI hosted?

How many THOUSANDS of CEU's has NACHI presented.

• MORE IMPORTANTLY .... how many of these thousands of NACHI CEU's has ASHI accepted ?

1. ALL of them?

2. SOME of them?

3. NONE of them???

I am betting on "Door #3" !!!

So now when NACHI holds ASHI's feet to the fire and demands RECIPROCITY all of a sudden we are the "Bad Guys"..... What a laugh!

YUP .......watching Scott Patterson the old "Spin Doctor" fall flat on his face is better than watching Jerry Springer!

[Scott Patterson]

Hi Frank,

The problem was taken care last week or the day after all of this was brought to my attention. A person who was new in their position misspoke and provided the wrong information. I made some calls and sent some emails to the proper individuals. Speak with Joe Farsetta, he can provide you with all of the details. ASHI will allow NACHI courses to count towards ASHI CE hours. Just follow the guidelines like everyone else does for having the course approved.

If you or anyone needs any help with anything in our profession
I will do my best to do what I can to help or direct you to another person that might be able to assist you. It is getting tiresome with all of this bickering and infighting, we just all need to realize that life is too short and we need get along. The past is the past so lets work on the future.

[Nick Gromicko]

Scott writes:

A person who was new in their position misspoke and provided the wrong information.

Oh, so you mean I had the "wrong information" because that is what ASHI gave me, and that the error was on ASHI's side?

Scott writes

Just follow the guidelines like everyone else does for having the course approved.

Folks, what he means in ASHIeze is "Just send our mini-association (ASHI) money $$$ and our little mini-association is pompous enough to approve a course offered by the world's largest inspection association, a course already approved by state licensing boards and real estate commissions, so that members of our mini-association can use it for CEs in our mini-association."

Please. I've never once written a check to ASHI for them to approve the course for THEIR OWN MEMBERS!!! Silly.

Do I have "wrong information" again Scott or do your guidelines include a fee for you to approve something for your own members?

Scott, pick one please:

1. Nick, you have wrong information, we are certainly not so pompous as to charge InterNACHI for approving a course for OUR CE purposes to encourage education of OUR members which helps OUR member's clients.
2. Nick, you are right, we are a bunch of pompous aholes and we require you to pay us to help educate our members.

[Scott Patterson]

Hi Nick,

Sorry, but I'm not going to play your word games.

As for the ASHI policy for approving CE hours. It can be found on the ASHI website. You can find all types of courses that are approved for ASHI CE hours and ASHI members are not charged for them or do they have to pay for them. Many are provided free. Look at Certainteed this is a good example of free online education.

Most of the 90+ ASHI chapters around the country provide free education for their members. ASHI members or chapters are not charged a fee if the education course is presented at a Chapter. And that same education is offered to non ASHI members either for free or at a small fee. Fees are charged to the presenter if an educational session is going to be advertised as "Approved for ASHI CE" and the presenter is going to be making money off the course.

As I said it is time to end this bickering between the various associations and who offers what and does what. It does nothing to help the profession, it only hurts it.