CE credits from whoever

[Nick Gromicko]

Hi Scott,

Sorry, but I'm not going to play your word games.

I didn't ask about, nor do I care what ASHI chapters are charging. Our courses are already approved by InterNACHI of course just as ASHI offered courses are approved for ASHI members. So don't go into that again.

The question is simple... is ASHI requiring InterNACHI to pay ASHI $$$ for approval our courses for ASHI member CEs, to help educate ASHI members, for the benefit of ASHI member's clients?

Is there reciprocity or not? Or is there only reciprocity if InterNACHI pays?

No word games here.

[Scott Patterson]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Hi Scott,

Sorry, but I'm not going to play your word games.

I didn't ask about, nor do I care what ASHI chapters are charging. Our courses are already approved by InterNACHI of course just as ASHI offered courses are approved for ASHI members. So don't go into that again.

The question is simple... is ASHI requiring InterNACHI to pay ASHI $$$ for approval our courses for ASHI member CEs, to help educate ASHI members, for the benefit of ASHI member's clients?

Is there reciprocity or not? Or is there only reciprocity if InterNACHI pays?

No word games here.

Nick, I can not answer that question because I simply do not know. I would suggest contact Brion Grant the current ASHI President, he would be the one that could answer this question you. I am only a member of ASHI.

I would hope that some mutual agreement could be worked out between all of the associations.

[klott]

Make the first move Scott, have all Ashi members remove any and all disparaging remarks from their advertizements and websites about Nachi, then maybe someone will believe what you say about getting along. Words mean nothing without action.

[Nick Gromicko]

Until ASHI's Angela did her thing, I thought we had a "mutual agreement between associations." And now it is clear that we are to pay for reciprocity... doesn't sound to reciprocal to me.

I've made my personal feelings known... I say no more agreements, make every dual member pick a ship. COE Committee doesn't see it my way though.

[Nick Gromicko]

Removing disparging comments isn't enough anymore. It is clear, looking at the detrimental effects diploma mill mini associations have had on our industry, inspectors, and consumers... we demand that ASHI adopt some entrance requirements... one or two would be a good start to show that ASHI is moving away from it's no-entrance-requirement, come-only-with-cash-and shazam, diploma mill status and toward legitimacy.

[klott]

I know Nick, I was just suggesting it as a means to show sincerity to the wishes of getting along, or exposing it as empty words intended to make Ashi appear to be the good guys, who want to do what's best for the industry, while they continue to disparage Nachi members.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by klott

I know Nick, I was just suggesting it as a means to show sincerity to the wishes of getting along, or exposing it as empty words intended to make Ashi appear to be the good guys, who want to do what's best for the industry, while they continue to disparage Nachi members.

I have know Scott Paterson for a few years and have never heard him disparage anyone let alone NACHI members. Besides, that would be completely out of character for him, and it would also be counter-productive in regards to his long-range goals for our profession in general, and the NHIE in particular.

[Nick Gromicko]

As you know, as the largests most prolific inspection trade association in the world, we get thousands of email inquiries a day. Many are REALTORs and consumers asking about associations. I never bash ASHI. I just email them a link to their no-entrance-requirement application http://www.homeinspector.org/join/ap...pplication.pdf and a link to our requirements www.nachi.org/rigorous2006.htm

No need to bash, if the "send money and shazam" description fits... wear it. The truth is the biggest ASHI basher out there.

[Nick Gromicko]

I also offer to all consumers, my free expert witness assistance to any of them suing any agent or broker for negligent referral over a home inspection complaint if the agent or broker was so negligent as to actually recommend a diploma mill association member. Agents have a fiduciary duty to their clients to help them steer clear of diploma mill association inspectors. I make one hell of an argument showing that the agent, as a professional advice giver, should be held solely responsible for all repairs if they negligently refer a diploma mill association inspector.

[klott]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

I have know Scott Paterson for a few years and have never heard him disparage anyone let alone NACHI members. Besides, that would be completely out of character for him, and it would also be counter-productive in regards to his long-range goals for our profession in general, and the NHIE in particular.

I was not pointing fingers at Scott, but rather the many other members who do this, however he did the posting of his desires.

[Nick Gromicko]

Attorney Joe Ferry is flying in tomorrow and we're going all over speaking to real estate boards and reminding them of their contractual and fiduciary duty to steer their clients away from dipmloma mill association members. We do this one on Thursday http://co.nachi.org/mountainmetro/event257.html and they are all approved for real estate continuing education. Limiting liability is as important to agents as it is to inspectors and any agent that recommends a known diploma mill association member should lose her home in court.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Attorney Joe Ferry is flying in tomorrow and we're going all over speaking to real estate boards and reminding them of their contractual and fiduciary duty to steer their clients away from dipmloma mill association members. We do this one on Thursday http://co.nachi.org/mountainmetro/event257.html and they are all approved for real estate continuing education. Limiting liability is as important to agents as it is to inspectors and any agent that recommends a known diploma mill association member should lose her home in court.

Nick,
PLEASE bring Joe Ferry to New Hampshire and present this to ALL of our Real Estate agents / Brokers.

For YEARS ASHI has been disparaging, slandering, attacking, and trying to discredit NACHI and our members.
{READ MY E-MAIL that Scott Patterson posted above.}

It is time to FIGHT BACK and set the record straight. ASHI has been on the attack since day one!

They smile and pat you on the back with one hand and say .... "Can't We ALL just get along " ..... and then when you fall for their tactics ...they SMILE and stab you in the back with the other!

It is time to give back to ASHI what ASHI has been dishing out to NACHI for years and years!


I say that RECIPROCITY is a beautiful thing!


PS:
Nick,
Keep up the GOOD WORK! YOU are what keeps NACHI strong!

[Nick Gromicko]

You should see the case I'm working on now. $400,000.00! In my testimony I blame the real estate agent for steering her client toward a member of a well known, no-entrance-requirement diploma mill association. It is having rippling effects across the country and agents are being warned about these pretend mini-associations that not only allow anyone to join by just sending in money, but then unconscionably encourage their come-only-with-cash Candidates or Associates or whatever they are calling them this week, to go out and perform a certain number of unqualified inspections as the only way to achieve full membership. Disgusting yes, but the point is that every licensed agent should be made aware of these diploma mills and in fact, they have a duty to keep their client from using inspectors who belong to them. All the agent has to do to fulfill his/her fiduciary duty to safeguard their client is to look for the logos on the inspector's website to make sure he/she isn't a member of a known send-in-money-and-shazam! association.

[John McKenna]

I have come in contact with Scott a few times in the last year and I find him to have
one of the finest posturing abilities of false humility I have ever seen. But, when he
feels the time is right, he will attack with a vengeance and slander Nick Gromicko
and all that is InterNACHI, with no remorse.

Activerain had to removed his slander against Nick and InterNACHI on their forum
a while back. Then he lied about what he said after they pulled his comments. That is a fact.
Nick is my friend and I remember every word.

So when Scott says "lets all just get along"... it rings shallow. And when Scott pretends
not to know how to answer a simple question about ASHI's fee for approval policy, he
is not man enough to give a simple answer regarding the truth. He chooses to divert his
answer around Nick's question and then when confronted to get back to the original
question being asked, he pretend he does not know.

I'm not not impressed.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

Hi Nick,

Sorry, but I'm not going to play your word games.

As for the ASHI policy for approving CE hours. It can be found on the ASHI website. You can find all types of courses that are approved for ASHI CE hours and ASHI members are not charged for them or do they have to pay for them. Many are provided free. Look at Certainteed this is a good example of free online education.

Most of the 90+ ASHI chapters around the country provide free education for their members. ASHI members or chapters are not charged a fee if the education course is presented at a Chapter.
NOT TRUE!
They were charging "Other ASHI members" $75.00 to attend this seminar!
New Hampshire members got in free!

And that same education is offered to non ASHI members either for free or at a small fee.
In this particular situation the local ASHI chapter was charging;
1. No fees for ASHI New Hampshire members.

2. $75.00 for other ASHI members.

3. $150.00 for NACHI members.

At so your statement as it pertains to this particular situation is completely false.

And I ask .... why in the heck would any NACHI member a $150.00 to attend the same seminar that ASHI members are attending for free!
The answer is obvious ! And as it turned out NACHI members voted with their "checkbook" and did not attend the seminar!

Fees are charged to the presenter if an educational session is going to be advertised as "Approved for ASHI CE" and the presenter is going to be making money off the course.
Several of our members are familiar with "Harvey industries". They have informed me that "Harvey industries" gives free seminars all of the time.

• I repeat, their seminars are free and they even include lunch.

So why would any sane or rational NACHI member attend this "free" seminar and pay $150.00 to the local ASHI chapter for the privilege of attending "their / ASHI" seminar?
Talk about sleazy!

As I said it is time to end this bickering between the various associations and who offers what and does what. It does nothing to help the profession, it only hurts it."Can't We Just All Get Along"

Tell that to the local ASHI chapter as they have been attacking, slandering, and attempting to discredit NACHI as an Association and individual members since day one.


Tell that to the local ASHI chapter who sent out an extremely disparaging e-mail to all of our New Hampshire state senators!


They did this in the first week of January and in the third week of January they are begging us to pay $150.00 to Attend a seminar hosted by one of their vendors.


The bottom line is that the local ASHI New Hampshire chapter is down to a "single digit" membership.


They are using out of state members to inflate their numbers and make it seem like they are still a viable chapter.


They have invented a fake/phony "independent coalition" and falsely claim that this so-called independent coalition speaks for all and I repeat all home inspectors in New Hampshire.


The President, and I repeat the President of this coalition {David Roth, who is the VP of the local ASHI Chapter} testified before a House of Representatives subcommittee hearing that not a single member of NACHI had joined this coalition.

So the bottom line is the local ASHI chapter is powerless, desperate and dying!


They attack us, slander us, and then beg us to attend their free seminars while expecting us to pay them $150.00 to attend!


This is an "no-brainer" and no one should be surprised that we were insulted by a very generous offer and refused to attend!