The course ASHI doesn't want you to attend. Angela turns our attorney down.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by bwiley

In my never to be humble opinion, our COE should deal with how we treat the public and our industry. No one, including Joe has been able to convince me that we need to have an already stated rule of membership in our ethical code that deals with a communication device.

If someone breaks the message board rules, are they not already able to be disciplined in some fashion.

Apparently not,
all you have to do is read the many slanderous posts from Dan Harris, Todd Allen, Lewis Capul, Captain Beefheart, and John Bubber to name a few!

These nonmembers "dump a load" on NACHI and Nick on a regular basis and no one does a damn thing about it!

I don't like 3.3 either, and I darn near wrote that one years ago. But, as Albert Einstein said, "When I'm wrong, I change my mind, what do you do?"

I like 3.3

[Blaine Wiley]

Then in your instance, we are allowing all of those nonmembers to post in a fashion that you would possible vote to discipline a member for because it is in the COE? Am I understanding that correctly?

By the way, Nick loves the posts from all of them.

[Nick Gromicko]

Blaine, a mini-association like ASHI that actually REQUIRES its unqualified, come-only-with-cash Candidates or Associates to go out and peform actual fee-paid inspections for poor, unsuspecting consumers as part of their requirements certainly leads to many missed safety issues which likely leads to untold injuries and deaths of our fellow Americans.

I agree, NAMBLA isn't in the same category, they don't kill people. Let' keep the NAMBLA guys and dump ASHI.

[Blaine Wiley]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Blaine, a mini-association like ASHI that actually REQUIRES its unqualified, come-only-with-cash Candidates or Associates to go out and peform actual fee-paid inspections for poor, unsuspecting consumers as part of their requirements certainly leads to many missed safety issues which likely leads untold injuries and deaths of our fellow Americans..

I agree with all of that Nick. We then need to be agressive in our association marketing and glue why we are better to head of every Realtor in business, as ashi has for the past 30 years. Barry Stoned and Robert Bruss should have that clue handed to them as well.

[mnahrgang]

Originally Posted by bwiley

In my never to be humble opinion, our COE should deal with how we treat the public and our industry. ...

bump!!!

[Blaine Wiley]

Now I would ask, why has ASHI not turned themselves in to their ethics committee for discipline, since they don't follow their own COE as an association when dealing with the public? Seems to me that if the following is good for the inspector, it should be good for the association...

3. Inspectors shall avoid activities that may harm the public, discredit themselves,
or reduce public confidence in the profession.
A. Advertising, marketing, and promotion of inspectors' services or qualifications shall not be fraudulent, false, deceptive, or misleading.
B. Inspectors shall report substantive and willful violations of this Code to the Society.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Pick you battles gentlemen.

Some hills are worth dieing on and some are not.

If ASHI wants to harm it's members by making it harder to get CEUs then their decline will continue until the members demand change.

If education providers need ASHI members to fill their courses then they can make the business decision to jump through ASHIs hoops.

I fail to see what will be gained by playing tit for tat or making it an ethical issue as to which orgs an HI can belong too.

Just my 2 cents worth

This coming from someone who will go off on a 40 page rant if someone posts "Jesus is a Democrat"

Seriously....ASHI is a highly unethical organization and is in desperate need of money to stay alive.

One example is its continuous lies to the public touting that inspectors who pay dues to ASHI are the only inspectors qualified to inspect a house. This, we all know, is a lie. A bold, uninhibited lie....being made to the public through their branding campaign to real estate salesmen...on a daily basis.

To pay dues to ASHI is assisting in keeping ASHI alive...an unethical act in itself, since the money provided to ASHI assists them in lying to the public.

This is a question of "what is right" and "what is wrong"...which puts it directly in the arena of ethics.

Is it right.....is it ethical.....for me to give money to "Planned Parenthood"? Abortions are legal and it is not me who is getting or giving the abortion. So...that means it's okay, right, Mr. Larson.

Is it right....is it ethical....for me to pay dues to ASHI so that they can publish flyers, web pages, and editorials throughout the United States misleading and lying to the public regarding the quality of inspectors in another association that I belong to....simply becaue these other inspectors choose not to join their association?

My continuous refusals to the St. Louis ASHI Chapter to become a member is, for me, an ethical decision. It comes as a great sacrifice since membership in their association will probably triple my current rate of real estate salesmen referrals. But, as a matter of principle, I cannot sit at their table knowing what I know....

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bwiley

Now I would ask, why has ASHI not turned themselves in to their ethics committee for discipline, since they don't follow their own COE as an association when dealing with the public?

Uhh...lemme think.....

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by bwiley

Then in your instance, we are allowing all of those nonmembers to post in a fashion that you would possible vote to discipline a member for because it is in the COE? Am I understanding that correctly?
HUH?

By the way, Nick loves the posts from all of them.

With all due respect ..... Since when do you speak for Nick?

[Blaine Wiley]

Originally Posted by jbushart

This coming from someone who will go off on a 40 page rant if someone posts "Jesus is a Democrat"

Seriously....ASHI is a highly unethical organization and is in desperate need of money to stay alive.

One example is its continuous lies to the public touting that inspectors who pay dues to ASHI are the only inspectors qualified to inspect a house. This, we all know, is a lie. A bold, uninhibited lie....being made to the public through their branding campaign to real estate salesmen...on a daily basis.

To pay dues to ASHI is assisting in keeping ASHI alive...an unethical act in itself, since the money provided to ASHI assists them in lying to the public.

This is a question of "what is right" and "what is wrong"...which puts it directly in the arena of ethics.

Is it right....is it ethical....for me to pay dues to ASHI so that they can publish flyers, web pages, and editorials throughout the United States misleading and lying to the public regarding the quality of inspectors in another association that I belong to....simply becaue these other inspectors choose not to join their association?

Then you have everything you need already to charge all of our dual members with an ethics violation. If your vision is felt by the majority of the committe, it's already there, no need to change the COE.

"The InterNACHI member shall not engage in any practices that could be damaging to the public or bring discredit to the home inspection industry."

[Blaine Wiley]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

With all due respect ..... Since when do you speak for Nick?

I don't speak for Nick, I speak with him, via IM. But Not since Monday.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I agree, NAMBLA isn't in the same category, they don't kill people. Let' keep the NAMBLA guys and dump ASHI.

But Nick...again....there are certainly those holding membership in both of these associations as well.

[Nick Gromicko]

I don't see any problem with kicking all of them out now. ASHI prohibits real estate professionals from joining ASHI. ASHI kicked me out ASHI in the early 1990's for being a member of NAR.... (talk about unchaining a monster).

[Henry Valenzano, CMI]

Originally Posted by jbushart

But Nick...again....there are certainly those holding membership in both of these associations as well.

OUCH!

[Michael R. Boyett]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I think we've solved the problem. Joe Ferry is in NACHI.TV studios now. We're going to shoot a series of shows based on his course and ASHI members can watch them regardless of whether or not Angela allows ASHI members to watch them.

Dang, if I'd known that I would have waited and not spent the $129 for the live seminar in November. Of course, then I wouldn't have got to meet Joe in person and that was probably worth the expense.