The course ASHI doesn't want you to attend. Angela turns our attorney down.

[Nick Gromicko]

... and they want their association to be active and work for them: www.nachi.org/whats_new.htm

Do-nothing, no-benefit mini-associations deserve to wither.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

How dumb do you have to be to pay only for that.

50 home inspections and a passing score on the NHIE.

[Ben L. Garrison]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Ben...one more thing.

You are a vendor and every home inspector, whether he is a member of an organization or independent, is your market. Your ability to earn a commission depends upon your ability to maintain a neutrality on these issues.

But if your competitor devoted hundreds of thousands of dollars and years of media advertising to create an illusion....a lie....that his coverage was the only legal coverage that an insurance company could provide and that all of his competitors were selling less than what would cover them......you would respond differently to that.

No....to better represent your industry, none of you took the position that ASHI did...which was very wise.

Now, we are watching ASHI die. Some of us would like to hasten the inevitable by cutting off as much of their resources as we can. Dual memberships represent one such resource.

Well written and I understand your point. I just always here both sides of the story and never quite sure what to believe if that makes any sense. Sometimes, some of the topics discussed become very compelling even for a neutral party in all of this.

[Blaine Wiley]

Originally Posted by bgarrison

Well written and I understand your point. I just always here both sides of the story and never quite sure what to believe if that makes any sense. Sometimes, some of the topics discussed become very compelling even for a neutral party in all of this.

Are you a member of ASHI and able to post on their BB?

[Ben L. Garrison]

Originally Posted by bwiley

Are you a member of ASHI and able to post on their BB?

Negative.

[ekartal6]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Now, we are watching ASHI die. Some of us would like to hasten the inevitable by cutting off as much of their resources as we can. Dual memberships represent one such resource.

That's downright funny.

I honestly feel that today's mayhem is going hurt NACHI. I can hear it now: "Hey, did you hear that NACHI is accusing ASHI employees and inspectors of intentionally harming consumers." You have basically provided a good reason for an ASHI assault.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Quote: Originally Posted by jmorrison The same can be said for NACHI.

I can see no difference between the two and the descriptions that you just gave. NACHI is doing the exact same that you say ASHI is doing, if not more so. I challenge you to find comments from ASHI members about NACHI that are in the same tone and with the same disparaging comments as the ones on this discussion board. I don't think that you can find them. Talk about caught in a bold face lie! Note: Non-ASHI members do not count! Not to worry your title and membership in ASHI is clear for all to see!

Originally Posted by jbushart

Your challenge is accepted.

Here it is, my friend.

Ooo000ooops!
Looks like someone just got caught trying to spin yet another ASHI lie!

[jrichards]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I again ask our COE Committee to prohibit our members from financially supporting a known no-entrance-requirement diploma mill and make all duel members choose which association they want to belong to. I promise, more than 9 out of 10 will stay with InterNACHI and dump the no-member-benefits mini-association.

Don't go there Nick. I joined ASHI because their branding campaign has reached so far and wide here that in order for me to get business from many of the offices, I need to be an ASHI member. I have fought the fight, and won some battles, but when it comes down to putting inspections on my schedule I do what I need to. If I choose to be a "dual member", that's MY CHOICE! I enjoy my membership in iNACHI, because so much is provided here. But iNACHI does not put money in my bank account just because I'm a member. I put money in your bank account. The iNACHI presence here has been non-existant, and there has been no LOCAL support or coordinated effort. So don't make me choose between taking care of my families needs and membership in this organization. I hope you know where my priorities are between the two, and understand why I made the BUSINESS DECISION that I made. If not oh well.

John Richards
www.InspectJacksonville.com

[Joe Farsetta]

We're going to try this. It is not tit-for-tat. Our process for approval is not essentially changing. NACHI will no longer serve as a doormat. If one thinks it is so importat to seek and pay for ASHI course approval, then that entity can make a matching contribution to the charity of their choice, in their own name, and submit a copy of the receipt for that donation to NACHI along with their course approval application. This pertains to approvals sought in ANY competing org, unless a reciprocal agreement of course approvals exists between the orgs.

Attention INTERNACHI Members and Approved Education Providers:

Within the past week or so, many discussions have cropped up regarding a competing organization, and policies regarding “approved” courses. INTERNACHI has always been the HI association of INCLUSION, as opposed to elitism or anti-consumerism. To that end, our long-standing policy or Continuing Education and course approvals have been deliberately kept fairly liberal. Within the past few days, we have seen a shift in the attitude of one competing organization.

I, myself, was surprised at the written response I received as it pertained to submitting my own course for approval by this association. I have NEVER sought approval on ANY of my courses through them, and only did so in this instance to satisfy any possible questions my students may have. The first response was that this org would not approve any course from a competing organization. That’s okay, but I wasn’t submitting it under the INTERNACHI banner.

I asked for clarification. At the same time, it was brought to light that a INTERNACHI chapter president was also rebuffed a while back over similar requirements and policies. I received confirmation from this org that my course would be approved, with submittal and application fee. Be advised that these courses have also been granted state approvals elsewhere. I am confident that they would pass this competing org’s muster. I followed up with another few questions, which I am still awaiting an answer on.

In the mean time, I learned today that a course which was previously approved by this org is apparently no longer approved. I was surprised to also learn that the approval process is an annual event with them. Joe Ferry’s class was denied because of his affiliation with this org (INTERNACHI). He submitted the course for renewal with fee attached, and it was denied. For what legitimate reason? At a cost to whom? The insector? The public at large?

It is not about the quality of education. Apparently it is about dollars, revenue streams, and turf. It is a petty argument, which in my opinion is clearly anti-consumer. Why? I’ll tell you.

In the case of this specific individual, his course is already approved in some states for HI Continuing Education. It had, therefore, passed the muster of a state licensing board, committee, department, or bureau. That approval process included their own HI organization. Enough said. The other org has no legitimate reason, IMO, to deny their members CE credit and access to this course. None whatsoever.

In an era where education is everything, the policy should be to get His to take CE courses. These courses should be affordable, decent, available anywhere, and be of interest to the HI. This follows the INTERNACHI philosophy. INTERNACHI’s policy is pro-inspector and more importantly PRO-CONSUMER. We do more that talk about education; we deliver it. For our efforts, we are often criticized, and for what?

So, the time has come to examine our relationships with regard to competing organizations and our own education policies.

For our members, or members with dual status in other orgs, there will be no changes. We will punish no one in either org.

What we WILL do is the following:

If an education provider believes it is important enough to seek course approval from any competing organization where fees are required in an application or renewal process, said provider shall also submit to INTERNACHI for similar course approvals, based on any similar renewal schedule which may exist. No fee for this will be collected by INTERNACHI. However, education providers shall submit to INTERNACHI, along with their course information, a bonafide receipt of donation to the charity of their choice, in an amount the same as the application process fee from the competing org.

INTERNACHI will not deny any quality educational course application from any provider, providing that these conditions are met. If a course provider is willing to spend dollars to a competing org for course approvals, they should be willing to donate the same amount to charity as a condition of INTERNACHI’s approval process. So, if a competing org charges $25 per credit hour equaling, say $200, a donation will be required for $200. INTERNACHI will not dictate which org to donate to.

No donations will be required where no approvals are sought from competing orgs, or where reciprocal agreements exist between orgs, and no fees are involved.

INTERNACHI’s policy remains pro-consumer, as course content and provider approval process remain essentially intact. Those seeking course approvals will still get them. The additional condition only applies in situations where fees are demanded by another HI org for approvals of educational courses. Prior NACHI-approved courses will be subject to this new rule immediately.

Educational providers seeking approval across associations will be exempt from this rule where a reciprocal agreement on educational materials and policies exist between associations, and where no fees are involved.

In the best case, reciprocal agreements will pop up. In the worst case, charities will be receiving more donations then they did before..

It is unfortunate that it had to come to this, but we believe this new policy creates a climate of change and reflection. INTERNACHI is here for inspectors and the public at large.

We believe that a well educated inspector is the front line of consumer protection when purchasing a home. Our educational policies have steadfastly recognized nearly all industry related courses, at no cost to those who wanted to provide it. Educating the inspector community is paramount.

It is unfortunate that other orgs refuse to adopt similar policies of inclusion, as opposed to inclusion at an annual cost. Their policy has little to do with quality and putting courses in front of their members, and everything to do with money. The fact that a course which was denied for industry affilliation, where the course was previously approved by said org, and where prior state approvals were granted and still in effect, proves our pont.

With this new policy, INTERNACHI reaps no monetary compensation for its educational efforts. We believe this is the best posture to take.

[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

Frank,

I think you misunderstood my post. I have never been concerned about NACHI approving classes or seminars run by and for our own membership.

My question was regarding a class or seminar run by another entity not affiliated with NACHI, and who should be approving those items for credits. I think the Education Committee (Joe and Gerry) should have some say. If as you say that Joe has approved something, no problem.

I understand your frustrations but what if a class is offered in your area by, in this case ASHI, and your chapter disapproves it. What happens when the local chapter president in Vermont, accepts it? We have a conflict within our own ranks and that is what I was questioning.

We are lucky out here on the west coast as we don't have as large an ashi presence as you guys on the east coast and other areas. I understand your frustrations but just wanted some clarification. Battle on and good luck.

[Nick Gromicko]

Joe... interesting policy. If you want to do evil you have to offset it by doing good.

[Richard L. Bennett]

Mr James

Being a member of ASHI does not mean that the person is in support of all of their positions.

Yes the membership $$s sort of state that one is in ASHI support but not direct support, just like not all members of InterNACHI are in support of all the things that go around here

We have larger issues on the table other that this

rlb

[James H. Bushart]

Excellent policy, Joe.

The bottom line for John Q. Public to understand is quite clear.

For a course to be accepted by ASHI....ASHI must first be provided dollars. Then, they will review the acceptability for CEUs.

For the same course to be accepted by NACHI....a charity must be provided the same amount of dollars that ASHI would charge. Then, we will review the acceptability for CEUs.

I can think of no better way to shine the light on the priorities of A$HI.

When do the press releases go out?

[Henry Valenzano, CMI]

Originally Posted by jbushart

50 home inspections and a passing score on the NHIE.

When i was a member it was 250 and the nhie.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by hvalenzano

When i was a member it was 250 and the nhie.

Times have changed.

You are a "member" the day your check clears. No more "candidates".

Now, as a member...and, you can tell people you are an ASHI member, you need to find 50 unsuspecting people who will allow you to inspect their house for a fee....OR....pay an ASHI inspector money to let you ride on 50 inspection with him. No testing or other preparation is required. Your check cleared and you are good to go.

After you have attended 50 inspections and have passed the NHIE (answers available for purchase on eBay), you become eligible to put one of many A$HI logos on your website.

Then...get back in the car and ride along or perform another 200 inspections, and A$HI allows you to use an even better logo.

That's it.

Period.