Elevators and Outdoor Cooking?

[gdouglas]

I am doing an inspection of a high end home (9000sqft) tomarrow. Listing. Any suggestions of what to pay particular attention to? What should I look at on the elevator? What should I look at for the outdoor cooking equipment? All comments welcome.

[Mark Nahrgang]

It's a home inspection. Just bigger. Don't sweat it.

As for the elevator, that's outside the SOP. If you're not familiar with the systems, then disclaim them, or sub them out.

As for the outdoor cooking equipment, I would treat it like I would the indoor equipment. Use your common sense (ie. electrical outlets should be rated for outdoor use, etc.)

[Dale Duffy]

Hi George,

I would not look at anything regarding the Elevator, sub the inspection out to an Elevator inspection company like this one:

American Elevator Inspections
15201 East Fwy # 110
Channelview, TX 77530

(281) 457-1700

The outdoor cooking equipment like any other gas appliances I would pay close attention to the gas connections, type of material used for the gas supply, etc.

[Nick Gromicko]

This:

7. Elevators

7.1___The passenger elevators are located on an accessible path of travel.

7.2___The passenger elevator doors have a clear opening of not less than 36 inches.

7.3___The passenger elevators have wheelchair turning spaces that are at least 68 inches wide by 51 inches deep.

7.4___The passenger elevators have controls that are not higher than 54 inches for side approach and not higher than 48 inches for front approach.

7.5___The passenger elevators have controls that are labeled in raised Braille.

7.6___The passenger elevators serve all public levels of the building.

From: www.nachi.org/accessibility.htm

[Michael R. Boyett]

I agree, sub the elevator out to someone who can do a 1st rate job on that.

Follow our SOP for the outdoor equipment:

(e) Inspection guidelines for outdoor cooking equipment. The inspector shall:

(1) report the energy source and operate the unit;

(2) report as in need of repair deficiencies in operation, control knobs, handles, burner bars, grills, box, rotisserie (if present) and heat diffusion material;

(3) report as in need of repair a unit or pedestal that is not stable;

(4) report as in need of repair gas units that use improper materials for the gas branch line and the connection to the appliance; and

(5) report as in need of repair a gas unit that has no shut-off valve, an inaccessible valve or a valve that leaks;

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Hi. George

How often are elevators and related equipment required to be inspected?
The owner of the elevator or related equipment must obtain an inspection every 12 months and submit the inspection report along with all required documents and fees to the Department to obtain a certificate of compliance.
http://www.license.state.tx.us/elevator/elefaq.htm


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2) the name and mailing address of the building owner.

5. When are elevator contractor's quarterly reports due?

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6. When is an elevator contractor registration required?
As of January 1, 2004, any person that performs installation, repair, alteration, or maintenance of an elevator or related equipment is required to be registered with the Department.
7. How often are elevators and related equipment required to be inspected?
The owner of the elevator or related equipment must obtain an inspection every 12 months and submit the inspection report along with all required documents and fees to the Department to obtain a certificate of compliance.
8. How do I contact a QEI Inspector?
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9. How can I get a copy of my inspection report?
Contact the QEI Inspector that performed the inspection on your elevator or related equipment.
10. Who is responsible for obtaining a certificate of compliance for an elevator or related equipment?
The owner of the building is responsible for obtaining a certificate of compliance for each unit of equipment in the building. This certificate is good for one year and must be applied for annually.
11. How do I obtain a certificate of compliance?

For each piece of equipment, the building owner must submit the following within 60 days of the inspection:

1) an application for a certificate of compliance;
2) a copy of the inspection report;
3) a fee of $30; and
4) documentation that any violations found during the inspection are corrected or under contract to be corrected, and an application for delay or waiver, if necessary. If submitting an application for delay or waiver you must also submit an additional $50 for each violation requested to be delayed or waived.

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13. How do I request a delay for Fire Service or Door Restrictors until September 1, 2010?

Submit a Department delay application form with the following:

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14. If I do not receive a reminder notice of inspection due prior to the inspection due date, is the owner still required to get the elevator inspected and file the paperwork on time?
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15. What if I can not complete the repairs to my elevator or related equipment within 60 days?
You may provide proof that you have entered into a contract to have the repairs done or request a delay.
16. How do I obtain a duplicate copy of a Certificate of Compliance?
Submit a written request with a fee of $25 to the Texas Department of Licensing & Regulation at P.O. Box 12157, Austin, TX 78711.
17. Where can I find inspection history information of a particular elevator or related equipment?
You may search the elevator and related equipment database at http://www.license.state.tx.us/ElevatorSearch/ or contact the Licensing Division at 800-803-9202 (Texas only) or 512-463-6599.
18. Do elevator inspectors work for the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation?
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To find a QEI Inspector that is registered with the Department, you may search the Licensing Database through the Department's website or contact the Licensing Division at 800-803-9202 (Texas only) or 512-463-6599.
19. What fees do I pay, if I apply for a certificate of compliance 91 or more days after the inspection?
You must submit all the required paper work with a fee of $30 plus a late fee of $10 for every 30 day period it is late after 90 days from the date of inspection.
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Marcel

[Nick Gromicko]

You might want to state that you are not offering or providing a state certificate of compliance as that is outside the scope of an inspection.

[Michael R. Boyett]

You might also point out that all of that verbiage that Marcel posted pertains to elevators in Public buildings....not single family residential.

[Nick Gromicko]

You might also want to CYA by stating that the inspection of the elevator was done to InterNACHI's Accessibility Standards at www.nachi.org/accessibility.htm and then just give the client 7.1-7.6.

[gdouglas]

Are there any structural or electrical issues to consider?

[Nick Gromicko]

Many residential elevators are installed due to disability or age... in other words, wheelchair use.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Originally Posted by mboyett

You might also point out that all of that verbiage that Marcel posted pertains to elevators in Public buildings....not single family residential.

Michael, it would not hurt to check with the State for here in Maine, whether it is commercial or private, they all fall under the jurisdiction of Elevators and Trammway Division of the State.

There is a strong possibility that some other states are the same.

Marcel

[Douglas Cossar]

George:

Based on the listing info I would say its not a bad looking shack!!!!!

But................ I repeat...........stay away from the elevator- refer to a pro.


Cheers

[Marcel R. Cyr]

I would not inspect elevators and in Texas home elevators are governed by this section;

754.0141 a,b,c,e,etc.

http://www.license.state.tx.us/eleva...elaw090107.pdf

Marcel

[Michael R. Boyett]

Exactly...that's my point. Except for the initial installation and inspection the TDLR has no jurisdiction over single family residence elevators in Texas where the original poster resides.