flammable vapor ignition resistant

[dbaucum]

Does a gas water heater that is a flammable vapor ignition resistant
need to be 18'' above garage floor?

[Barry Adair]

FVIR

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by dbaucum

Does a gas water heater that is a flammable vapor ignition resistant
need to be 18'' above garage floor?

Here Ya go!

2006, International Residential Code For One and Two Family Dwellings
Part VII, Plumbing CHAPTER 28
WATER HEATERS
P2801
GENERAL
P2801.6 Water heaters installed in garages.
Water heaters having an ignition source shall be elevated such that the source of ignition is not less than 18 inches (457 mm) above the garage floor.

2006, The International Residential Code For One and Two Family Dwellings
Chapter 20, Boilers and Water Heaters
Chapter 13, General mechanical system requirements

M1307
APPLIANCE INSTALLATION
M1307.3 Elevation of ignition source.
Appliances having an ignition source shall be elevated such that the source of ignition is not less than 18 inches (457 mm) above the floor in garages.

For the purpose of this section, rooms or spaces that are not part of the living space of a dwelling unit and that communicate with a private garage through openings shall be considered to be part of the garage.

M1307.3.1 Protection from impact.
Appliances located in a garage or carport shall be protected from impact by automobiles.

M2005
WATER HEATERS

M2005.1 General.
Water heaters shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturer's installation instructions and the requirements of this code. Water heaters installed in an attic shall conform to the requirements of Section M1305.1.3. Gas fired water heaters shall conform to the requirements in Chapter 24. Domestic electric water heaters shall conform to UL174 or UL 1453. Commercial electric water heaters shall conform to UL1453. Oiled-fired water heaters shall conform to UL732.

M2005.2 Prohibited locations.
Fuel-fired water heaters shall not be installed in a room used as a storage closet. Water heaters located in a bedroom or bathroom shall be installed in a sealed enclosure so that combustion air will not be taken from the living space. Direct-vent water heaters are not required to be installed within an enclosure.

M2005.2.1 Water heater access.
Access to water heaters that are located in an attic or under floor crawl space is permitted to be through a closet located in a sleeping room or bathroom where ventilation of those spaces is in accordance with this code.

I hope that this information has been of some help. Feel free to add it to your data base.

[Captain Beefheart]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

Here Ya go!

2006, International Residential Code For One and Two Family Dwellings
Part VII, Plumbing CHAPTER 28
WATER HEATERS
P2801
GENERAL
P2801.6 Water heaters installed in garages.
Water heaters having an ignition source shall be elevated such that the source of ignition is not less than 18 inches (457 mm) above the garage floor.

2006, The International Residential Code For One and Two Family Dwellings
Chapter 20, Boilers and Water Heaters
Chapter 13, General mechanical system requirements

M1307
APPLIANCE INSTALLATION
M1307.3 Elevation of ignition source.
Appliances having an ignition source shall be elevated such that the source of ignition is not less than 18 inches (457 mm) above the floor in garages.

For the purpose of this section, rooms or spaces that are not part of the living space of a dwelling unit and that communicate with a private garage through openings shall be considered to be part of the garage.

M1307.3.1 Protection from impact.
Appliances located in a garage or carport shall be protected from impact by automobiles.

M2005
WATER HEATERS

M2005.1 General.
Water heaters shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturer's installation instructions and the requirements of this code. Water heaters installed in an attic shall conform to the requirements of Section M1305.1.3. Gas fired water heaters shall conform to the requirements in Chapter 24. Domestic electric water heaters shall conform to UL174 or UL 1453. Commercial electric water heaters shall conform to UL1453. Oiled-fired water heaters shall conform to UL732.

M2005.2 Prohibited locations.
Fuel-fired water heaters shall not be installed in a room used as a storage closet. Water heaters located in a bedroom or bathroom shall be installed in a sealed enclosure so that combustion air will not be taken from the living space. Direct-vent water heaters are not required to be installed within an enclosure.

M2005.2.1 Water heater access.
Access to water heaters that are located in an attic or under floor crawl space is permitted to be through a closet located in a sleeping room or bathroom where ventilation of those spaces is in accordance with this code.

I hope that this information has been of some help. Feel free to add it to your data base.

Gee Frank, for a man who has all those letters after his name and who pounds ASHI at every corner, you certainly haven’t a clue as to what you’re talking about!

2006 IRC- G2408.2 Exception. Elevation of the ignition source is not required for appliances that are listed as flammable vapor resistant and for installation without elevation.

Beef

[Captain Beefheart]

Frank, no reply?

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by Captain Beefheart

Gee Frank, for a man who has all those letters after his name
Yes and over the last 36 yeras I have earned them!

and who pounds ASHI at every corner,
This sounds like you are an ASHI member / Loyalist and have another agenda going on and has nothing to do with this post.

you certainly haven’t a clue as to what you’re talking about!
That is your opinion and like your nose you are certainly entitiled to it.

2006 IRC- G2408.2 Exception. Elevation of the ignition source is not required for appliances that are listed as flammable vapor resistant and for installation without elevation.
Your "Cut & Paste" of section G-2408 is accurate.
Beef

The FVR issue was cleared up before I even posted.

You will see that I went to the IRC and looked up "Plumbing / Water Heaters".

I was just adding information in case anyone wanted to save it for their database.

You will also see that I did NOT state that this information was for "Flammable Vapor Resistant" water heaters.

PS:
I have a very busy schedule. I do not lurk on the BB waiting to see if anyone has responded on a thread that I have posted on.

One more thing .... why are you afraid to leave your real name?
Captain Beefheart is so "Junior High School" it isn't even funny

[Captain Beefheart]

Frank,

The posted question was asking about FVR; your post was in response to his question:

“Here Ya go!”

I don’t see anywhere in the previous post where FVR was clarified.

My point is simple; you gave out BAD information. Everyone is entitled to mistakes; hell, I’m sure even Nick & Bushart have made some (but probably won’t admit it).
You blew it but at least you admitted your mistake. Most importantly, David’s question was answered CORRECTLY!

All I’m saying is he who throw stones, shouldn’t live in a glass house.

I’m not pro ASHI or pro NAHI, but you’re anti-ASHI for sure. Next time you talk about education and mistakes, just reflect back on this moment and think twice before you condemn someone or crucify another organization.

Beef

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by Captain Beefheart

Frank,

The posted question was asking about FVR; your post was in response to his question:

“Here Ya go!”
Yes and I provided "Additional" information below that sentence.

Also .... I guess that you did not bother to go to the link provided by Barry Adair FVIR which led to another valuable link and then another.

I don’t see anywhere in the previous post where FVR was clarified.
When and if you follow this link FVIR you will see that the question is more than anwsered!
But I guess that this would be just too much work

My point is simple; you gave out BAD information.
I did not give out BAD information I posted ADDITIONAL inforamtion. There is a huge difference.

Everyone is entitled to mistakes; hell, I’m sure even Nick & Bushart have made some (but probably won’t admit it).
Thank you for Unnecessarily Criticizing our founder and respected members. NOW ... do you feel better?

You blew it but at least you admitted your mistake. Most importantly, David’s question was answered CORRECTLY!
Yes ..... and if you had bothered to follow the link that Barry provided you would have found a wealth of information pertaining to this issue.

All I’m saying is he who throw stones, shouldn’t live in a glass house.

I’m not pro ASHI or pro NAHI, but you’re anti-ASHI for sure.
Then why did you bring them up? No one else had!

Next time you talk about education and mistakes, just reflect back on this moment and think twice before you condemn someone or crucify another organization.
Man O Man! Talk about a pompous! You sure are full of yourself aren't you!

Beef

Like I said ..... Why are you afraid to use your real name? "Captain Beefheart" is soooo 4th Grade!


How can you expect ANYONE to take you seriously!

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by dbaucum

Does a gas water heater that is a flammable vapor ignition resistant
need to be 18'' above garage floor?

no,,

[Larry D. Kage]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

no,,

Way to go, Brian. You trying to start something?

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by lkage

Way to go, Brian. You trying to start something?

No...

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

No...

ROTFLMAO!

[Captain Beefheart]

Frank;

After re-reading all the posts, I must admit, I am wrong. I do truly apologize for my mistake.

Please accept my sincere apology for giving you the credit for admitting your mistake! Obviously I thought you were more of a man then you really are.

Frank, your ego is writing checks your knowledge can’t cash!

Read the original question, then read your answer. Your answer clearly refers back to all the code sections that state it must be elevated. Now, you’re making things up as you go.

The link to Barry’s post does not state anything about the heater not being required to be elevated. I challenge you to show me in Barry’s post where it states it’s not required to be raised!

As far as ASHI goes, buddy, you brought that up in your 1st post to me. Re-read it!

I know any good defense is a strong offense; but you’re going overboard.

I’m trying to help others understand what’s right and what’s wrong, and maybe bring you down a notch. If you fall off that pedestal you put yourself on, you might break a leg.
I think Larry & Brian might agree!


Beef

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by Captain Beefheart

Frank;

After re-reading all the posts, I must admit, I am wrong. I do truly apologize for my mistake.

Please accept my sincere apology for giving you the credit for admitting your mistake! Obviously I thought you were more of a man then you really are.

Frank, your ego is writing checks your knowledge can’t cash!

Read the original question, then read your answer. Your answer clearly refers back to all the code sections that state it must be elevated. Now, you’re making things up as you go.

The link to Barry’s post does not state anything about the heater not being required to be elevated. I challenge you to show me in Barry’s post where it states it’s not required to be raised!
This sentence clearly shows that you did not bother to follow the link and read the many articles posted there.
One link leads to another, to another, and there is a tremendous amount of information on this subjet.

As far as ASHI goes, buddy, you brought that up in your 1st post to me. Re-read it!
Now ... you are getting weird! {See below}
Quote: Post #4
and who pounds ASHI at every corner,
End Quote:
Quote" Post #6:
This sounds like you are an ASHI member / Loyalist and have another agenda going on and has nothing to do with this post
End Quote:

I know any good defense is a strong offense; but you’re going overboard.

I’m trying to help others understand what’s right and what’s wrong, and maybe bring you down a notch.
Your unwarrented attacks are all too obvious for everyone to see.

If you fall off that pedestal you put yourself on, you might break a leg.
I think Larry & Brian might agree!
Larry & Brian are qrown men....I don't think that they need "Captain Beefheart" to speak for them


Beef

Hey Captain, or Admiral or General.... do you have a Mask and a Cape?
Don't you think that it is time to grow up?

[Captain Beefheart]

Frank;

Is this how you treat you clients?

Give them BAD information then bamboozle them with bull**** so they can’t see your incompetence.

Beef