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Following is something to get a thread started. Its just an opinion and I am all ears.
Historically, home inspection has been about PROPERTY CONDITION. Those discoveries sometimes pose risk to occupants. According to NACHI Standards a home inspection is NOT ABOUT determining if a home is safe! Inspectors are often held to an implied Standard. Uninformed inspectors preach what an inspection should do without careful consideration of the Standards wording. Inspectors and inspection articles improperly inform the world that home inspections are about safety. That is wrong. It sets a standard that is not in the standard! If you conduct a survey you will find that consumers are interested in identifying expensive repairs and life span matters (NACHI excludes life span). If you offer “property condition” and “safety” as two products for two fees the client will almost always be willing to pay for property condition reporting only and certainly first. Most consumers will not pay for a separate safety report. Try selling one. It is a misconception that home inspection is about assuring a home is safe. Home inspection is about property condition with some discoveries being judged to present unreasonable risk. There is a huge difference. Want proof. Read NACHI SoP. - There are 21 uses of the word “safe” or its derivatives. None apply to the client. - There are 8 uses of the word “hazard” or its derivatives. None apply to the client. - There are 4 uses of the word “risk”. Only 1 applies directly to other persons. - MOST words are contained in limitations that state the inspector is not required to do something. - Only “risk” applies to people on the property and again in only one usage. - NACHI (and all other major SoP) exclude code inspection. Code IS safety. - Items of “risk” are left to the judgment of the inspector (there is an indirect relationship between “risk” and the definition of “unsafe” in the NACHI SoP) NACHI Standards DO NOT REQUIRE you to inspect the home to assure it is safe! IF YOU WANT a safety standard then consider writing a separate SoP that addresses the many code based concerns and offer it as an OPTIONAL product. What a great way to reduce personal injury liability. Two products offered. Let the customer accept or decline. IF they decline give them a “free” home safety check sheet so they can do their own safety inspection with a notice that they can always hire you to come back and do it. Lastly, unsafe conditions are tempered by inspector judgment and not code (judgment - an opinion on the nature, character, or quality of something). The Scope discusses “unreasonable risk” and without definition it is left to each inspectors judgment. There is the risk a jury could define "unreasonable" and that makes you operate in fear mode; fear mode is costly and inconsistent. I think that some areas where NACHI can improve its SoP are: 1-Find one word to use for “risk”, “safe” and “hazard”. 2-Very carefully define that “one” word. 3-Eliminate the use of “unreasonable”. 4-Preface “judgment” with “sole judgment” 5-Create and offer a safety inspection that includes all the items you can think of. Start with CodeCheck and work your way through. Following are the NACHI Standards with everything deleted except derivatives of “safe”, “hazard” and “risk”. You will see that home inspection IS NOT ABOUT SAFETY. 1. Definitions and Scope No mention of “safe” or “hazard” however the following applies 1.2. A Material defect is a condition with a residential real property or any portion of it that would have a significant adverse impact on the value of the real property or that involves an unreasonable risk to people on the property. The fact that a structural element, system or subsystem is near, at or beyond the end of the normal useful life of such a structural element, system or subsystem is not by itself a material defect. 2. Standards of Practice II. The inspector is not required to: G. Inspect for safety type glass. 2.3. Basement, Foundation & Crawlspace II. The inspector is not required to: A. Enter any crawlspaces that are not readily accessible or where entry could cause damage or pose a hazard to the inspector. 2.4. Heating II. The inspector is not required to: E. Activate heating, heat pump systems, or other heating systems when ambient temperatures or when other circumstances are not conducive to safe operation or may damage the equipment. 2.5. Cooling II. The inspector is not required to: C. Operate equipment or systems if exterior temperature is below 60 degrees Fahrenheit or when other circumstances are not conducive to safe operation or may damage the equipment. 2.6. Plumbing II. The inspector is not required to: C. Inspect interiors of flues or chimneys, water softening or filtering systems, well pumps or tanks, safety or shut-of valves, floor drains, lawn sprinkler systems or fire sprinkler systems. S. Test, operate, open or close safety controls, manual stop valves and/or temperature or pressure relief valves. 2.7. Electrical Derivatives and “safe” or “hazard” not found in electrical! Isn't that "special" 2.8. Fireplace II. The inspector is not required to: 2.9. Attic, Ventilation & Insulation II. The inspector is not required to: A. Enter the attic or unfinished spaces that are not readily accessible or where entry could cause damage or pose a safety hazard to the inspector in his or her opinion. 2.10. Doors, Windows & Interior II. The inspector is not required to: C. Inspect safety glazing. J. Verify or certify safe operation of any auto reverse or related safety function of a garage door. 3. Limitations, Exceptions & Exclusions 3.2. Exclusions: I. The inspectors are not required to determine: H. The compliance with codes or regulations. (these documents pertain to safe construction; not a home inspection requirement) K. The presence of air-borne hazards. P. The existence of environmental hazards. R. The presence of hazardous materials including, but not limited to, the presence of lead in paint. S. Any hazardous waste conditions. III. The inspectors are not required to: C. Enter or access any area which may, in the opinion of the inspector, to be unsafe or risk personal safety. D. Enter crawlspaces or other areas that are unsafe or not readily accessible. E. Inspect underground items such as, but not limited to, underground storage tanks or other indications of their presence, whether abandoned or actively used. F. Do anything which, in the inspector's opinion, is likely to be unsafe or dangerous to the inspector or others or damage property, such as, but not limited to, walking on roof surfaces, climbing ladders, entering attic spaces or negotiating with dogs. 4. Glossary of Terms 4.1. Accessible: Can be approached or entered by the inspector safely, without difficulty, fear or danger. 4.23. Inspect: To visually look at readily accessible systems and components safely, using normal operating controls and accessing readily accessible panels and areas in accordance with these Standards of Practice. 4.31. Readily Accessible: An item or component is readily accessible if, in the judgment of the inspector, it is capable of being safely observed without movement of obstacles, detachment or disengagement of connecting or securing devices, or other unsafe or difficult procedures to gain access. 4.35. Safety Glazing: Tempered glass, laminated glass, or rigid plastic. 4.40. Unsafe: A condition in a readily accessible, installed system or component which is judged to be a significant risk of personal injury during normal, day-to-day use. The risk may be due to damage, deterioration, improper installation or a change in accepted residential construction standards. This term is used 4 times in the SoP. The definition implies impact on occupant safety but oddly ALL 4 uses of the word apply to inspector safety. NONE apply to occupant safety! OK, who is ready to write an optional "safety" standard. |
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I have to consider the real world.... As Kieth Swift states in his book "To Inspect and Protect", most inspectors are not sued based on the inspectors contract or SoP, but are sued for negligence. This is the method most used to bypass the contract and the SoP protection. The SoP is a poor defense in court. It's sad but true. The more we educate the client to the fact that his health and safety are their personal responsibility, then we cover ourselves a little more. I try to mention safety issues when I see them, even though it may be outside the SoP, it is a common sense point to cover all your *****ets. After reading Keith's book, I realize that I may need to inform people even more about some safety issues and the clients need to take a pro-active responsibility for it. If you have E&O, then you are not going to court anyway. If the accusation of negligence can be thrown at you in any form, the lawyers get paid. The SoP are not much of an obstacle to lawyers... in the real world of "seek and destroy". The SoP portrays the inspector as a 'generalist', but the courts and lawyers skin our hides as 'experts' who were negligent. It seem that the court system is creating a default SoP that over rides our views of common sense and the proper SoP. I don't agree with it, but who am I? IMHO. John McKenna, CMI
Executive Director - Master Inspector Certification Board Inspector - Instructor - Thermographer (TREC #4565) 25 Yrs Constr Exp - 11 Yrs Home Inspector Exp American Home Inspection - East Texas. |
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jbowman is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
How would the COE play into this?
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Safety is not defined in the SOP but unsafe is. The problem is unsafe only applies 4 times to inspectors, not to other people. Ethics applies to "behavior" and SOP apply to "what you look for". You are passively creating a "what you look for" requirement in your Ethics. Mr. McKenna was correct in sense when he said the SoP are not looked at. They aren't because they have too many loop holes. I can handle a safety requirement but it needs to be much more carefully defined. Once again I suggest a separate SoP for safety as a point of discussion. See my reply to Mr. McKenna. |
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Condition of property = safety in many areas
If not I will save a lot of time and paper Good points Don't (at this time) see a need to change how I inspect and report rlb |
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product is inspectors themselves. Lets clean up the CoE and SoP and define safety more clearly. It can be done. Here is an example. ALL SoP depart from asbestos and now mold. It seems to be holding up well. Why? Because everyone complies with the SoP. In Texas that was made easy because to inspect for mold and asbestos you have to be licensed by a different agency. The limitation is accepted by lawyers. Lawyers have a hard time penetrating clearly defined limitations and will have a harder time ignoring a clearly defined optional requirement. Another Texas example. Septic (OSSF) systems, wells and sprinkler systems are optional in Texas SoP. You do not have to do them. You are not required by law to disclose that, although most inspectors I know state the limitation. I am very confortable that a septic system complaint is defensible, especially with the attorneys at TREC that will review the complaint. "IF you define the expectation they will believe". TAKE control of your business. John Last edited by jcahill; 2/22/07 at 10:40 AM.. |
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Condition is affected by installation, deterioration and performance. Thats all, just those 3. Safety is a broad topic. Many inspectors exceed the SoP and compare homes to modern codes or standards. That has nothing to do with pre-existing acceptable installation, deterioration and performance. When you compare to modern code you exceed the SoP that says you do not have to do it. I too exceed the SoP in some areas but the practice exposes me to greater liability. I am sure you could find something in my report or I in yours that exceed safety and can be argued you should have done it because you did it else where in the report. Industry uniformity is a significant key to controlling liability. |
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John,
All good stuff, well thought out and very helpful. What tends to happen in real life somewhat circumvents all of the best laid plans though. For instance, lawyers already know that we will attempt to use our SoP as a shield in our defense, so they don't attack us there. Instead, they pay another inspector to testify against you claiming that the majority of inspections performed in your area normally exceed the SoP. You are then no longer judged against your SoP but against an arbitrary level of care that they establish, which includes all of the things they say you missed. Its a vicious circle no doubt. Joe. "I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestioned ability of a man to elevate his life by conscious endeavor." ~ Henry David Thoreau Certified Master Inspector (2007) Member, International Assoc of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI) Member, International Code Council (ICC) - Certified Residential Combination Inspector Member, American Society of Home Inspectors (ASHI) Vice President - Suncoast ASHI Square-One Inspection "Assurance begins here" |
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As an reply to John Bowman's question as to a specific verse in our COE, the verbiage is plain and worthwhile.
It deals with the confidentiality of the inspection report, except as may be required by law (law always trumps the SOP and COE), and otheres where, I believe, an obvious safety issue is apparent. For instance, I think we should notify the homeowner if his/her deck is pulling away from their house, or is the drop wire is burning. |
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jbowman is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
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John, thanks for starting a dialogue. This is exactly what we need. As to the title of my book, there's no hidden meaning or deep wisdom. One word rhymed with the other, I needed a title, and I thought it sounded catchy, that's all.
InterNACHI Vice President, InterNACHI Editor-in-Chief, co-founder CalNACHI Author of Manual For a Happy Home & Inspect & Protect |
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rcooke is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
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They also have the advantage of using your inspection where we have gone in with no knowledge and have to find what we can in a limited time . The second inspector will have unlimited time and will see what we have reported . They will also concentrate on other areas that might not been accessable when we where inspecting. Every one should have a coppy of Mr. Swift's book Roy Cooke |
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Could you please list some common safety issues the we as inspectors can look at, step over, ignore... and how the SoP will protect us? Please be specific and tell me how the injury that follows an unsafe condition will not be my responsibility. Then, with your permission, may we look at it from the real world view of what a lawyer will do with your examples? The SoP is a defense, but like you say... things need cleaned up and improved... and to only rely on a shield with holes in it, is not wise..IMHO. Not to mention the fact... at the time the client and lawyer get together to sue you, the lawyers goal is to file a complaint that will be acceptable enough to get the process started. The lawyer may even know he has a bad case, but the E&O company will will pay-up anyway. John McKenna, CMI
Executive Director - Master Inspector Certification Board Inspector - Instructor - Thermographer (TREC #4565) 25 Yrs Constr Exp - 11 Yrs Home Inspector Exp American Home Inspection - East Texas. |
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The insurance companies compile..then safeguard and protect from disclosure...the real numbers, but logically speaking...here are a few factors to consider. Law suits that go to court are rare. Even E&O salesmen admit this. Most are settled out of court. "Negligence" is the means of collecting punitive damages which would exceed the actual damages. Thus, it only makes sense that a lawyer going for the biggest check he can get (from which to collect his 30% contingency fee) will allege negligence to go after the bigger reward....when there is E&O in the equation. When there is not, negligence becomes a non-issue, and settlement efforts are made to collect a portion for actual loss. In cases where E&O is not there to motivate a claim of negligence and request for punitive damages...and where the likelihood of a case actually going to trial is lessened even more than the few that actually do...I think that there is more emphasis placed upon the agreement and the SOP. Accordingly, the agreement and SOP are important. Now, should you be foolish enough to advertise that you somehow "exceed the SOP", it would not matter what it read. You are stuck with whatever interpretation that your client and the court want to assign to "exceed" up to and including the discovery of hidden or latent issues. But that's another argument.... |
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Good points, James.
"Exceed" is arbitrary. Our SOP, for the most part, is not. The safety aspects of the inspection cannot be overstated in their importance. While you may get sued for missing a leaking pool, you almost assuredly will get sued when a child drowns and you didn't point out that the $5 lock on the pool gate wasn't working. |
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