NACHI 2006 Tax return

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by dduffy

I found just the perfect building last week.................

Lunch/Picnic area for the large staff included.............

Where do the small staff eat?

[phinsperger]

I'm self employed. I hate my boss

[David P. Valley]

http://www.nachi.org/nachitax.htm

[jmichalski]

Originally Posted by gromicko

First: With a 1/3 turnover rate our industry suffers, having 9,900 members means you'll only show 6,600 members worth of dues each year. So subtract some there.

Second: And although NACHI doesn't give discounted renewals away, we do give discounted first year memberships away as part of our bloodline improvement efforts. For instance, new-to-NACHI inspectors who pay to take an advanced course from NACHI Certified Training (who's income is not included with NACHI's) can join NACHI for only $50. So subtract some there.

Third: We carried a lot of Deadwood (members who weren't paying) in 2006. We only recently started deleting our Deadwood aggressively in 2007 (see http://www.nachi.org/forum/f13/project-deadwood-update-13459/ ) after capping membership at 10,000, so these slots are only this year being replaced with prompt due paying members. So subtract some there for 2006 also.

Fourth: We only enjoy the revenue of a 9,900 member organization once we get there, and we didn't do that till the end of 2006. The beginning of 2006 we were only at maybe 7,000 members.

Gross revenue means little (hence the way I phrased the title of my thread in Misc). What is meaningful is revenue increase over previous years and NACHI has enjoyed large gross revenue increases every subsequent year. 2006's increase over 2005 was a revenue increase of over $300,000.00.

Faulty math.
First: 1/3 turnover means that 1/3 new members would arise to take the place of 1/3 of the old members - the total number of members would remain constant. If that number is 6600, as you suggest that seems alot closer to the revenues suggeted by the tax return.

Second: OK, Discounted memberships can dilute the numbers, what raw number of members are discounted memebers?

Third: Deadwood memebers are counted only in your 10,000 figure and are not actually dues paying members. Again, bringing the total number much closer to the total the math suggests.

Fourth: Completely inaccurate. When a memeber joins, or their renewal date comes up, their $289 must be paid at that time or they are not a member. So, if you reached 9900 at ANY point in 2006, you would have recieved dues from all 9900, paid as of close of business 12/31/06.

The math as performed by jason1 is accurate, but does not accurately reflect the number of discounted memberships. A small discount ($89) does not impact the math significantly, adding no more than 1600 members to the result if every single NACHI member got the discount. A discount (to $50) is more significant, but is unknowable since the total of those paying that rate is not available.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by jmichalski

Faulty math.
First: 1/3 turnover means that 1/3 new members would arise to take the place of 1/3 of the old members - the total number of members would remain constant. If that number is 6600, as you suggest that seems alot closer to the revenues suggeted by the tax return.

Second: OK, Discounted memberships can dilute the numbers, what raw number of members are discounted memebers?

Third: Deadwood memebers are counted only in your 10,000 figure and are not actually dues paying members. Again, bringing the total number much closer to the total the math suggests.

Fourth: Completely inaccurate. When a memeber joins, or their renewal date comes up, their $289 must be paid at that time or they are not a member. So, if you reached 9900 at ANY point in 2006, you would have recieved dues from all 9900, paid as of close of business 12/31/06.

The math as performed by jason1 is accurate, but does not accurately reflect the number of discounted memberships. A small discount ($89) does not impact the math significantly, adding no more than 1600 members to the result if every single NACHI member got the discount. A discount (to $50) is more significant, but is unknowable since the total of those paying that rate is not available.

I don't think Nick did well in math class.

But, I think he got an "A" in marketing

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.
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[Joe Farsetta]

Joe M,

Get a LIFE, please.

We've had NACHI bashers travel to Colorado, to examine NACHI's books, in the past. These guys were completely revved up to finally bring the "truth" about NACHI membership and finances to the forefront. So, off they went.

At the end of their 2-day "audit" and examination, not a peep.

Maybe they were idiots, as well.

How does it feel to be so damned SMART? I dont know how you do it. Oh, wait. I understand it now.

I just looked in my Mirriam Webster. Next to Mr. Know-It-All... your photo.

And all this time I thought Mr. Know-It-All was Bullwinkle the moose...

[Greg Veal]

What your point Joe M> and/or Jason1. ??

Are you accusing or indicting or judging...What ??

Jason1, I can maybe understand, he isn't even a member, why would he care what NACHI does, was he in and thrown out or is he just a wanabee. I can't remember him ever posting anything positive !!!

Joe M, you're just a mystery?

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by gveal

What your point Joe M> and/or Jason1. ??

Are you accusing or indicting or judging...What ??

Jason1, I can maybe understand, he isn't even a member, why would he care what NACHI does, was he in and thrown out or is he just a wanabee. I can't remember him ever posting anything positive !!!

Joe M, you're just a mystery?

Check around, I give lots of help on this board.

I don't know about you, but when something doesn't make sense, I ask questions. Must be the home inspector in me

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
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[James H. Bushart]

As Nick said, the significance in the reported numbers has to do with the trend...not the actual number. Congrats, Nick.

One thing about the NACHI bashers like Frick and Frack, here. They will always find something negative in everything NACHI. It is how they view things and, for some unexplainable reason, they are compelled to share their thoughts (or lack thereof) with us.

Back in the early 80s, I was watching a liberal network news broadcast of President Reagan shaking hands with a crowd of well wishers at an airport. The reporter chose to focus his report on one of the folks that the President did NOT shake hands with...in an attempt to make him look insensitive...instead of the hundreds he shook.

I got kinda ticked and wrote two letters. One to the news station, which was ignored, and another to the President...who wrote me back and thanked me for my "kind words". The letter was dated the same date of the launch of the US attack on Grenada and I am sure he had more important things to tend to on that day than to send a letter to me...

At any rate, greatness is something that will always make a large target for the small, lesser persons to take shots at. There will always be the Michalskis, dan harrises, etc and those like them that will feel the urge to expound upon every weakness they think they find in others that they feel inferior to.

We can acknowledge them and give them the false sense of credibility they seek, or we can simply allow them to have lonely conversations with themselves as dan harris and Todd Allen are presently doing in another thread.

NACHI has outlived its detractors, as well as their predictions of our demise. There is nothing left to prove. Let the NACHI bashers live and die in their own hell.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by jbushart

We can acknowledge them and give them the false sense of credibility, or we can simply allow them to have lonely conversations with themselves as dan harris and Todd Allen are presently doing in another thread.

NACHI has outlived its detractors, as well as their predictions of our demise. Let them live and die in their own hell.

Yet you can't help yourself and find a need to spew your verbal diarrhea in response.

I didn't say anything about NACHI demise, I am simply pointing out a flaw in some ones math.

Take your own advise James, ignore us. Ignorance truly is bliss in your world.
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[Greg Veal]

Jason1

I've noticed you on the boards.

Every question you ask comes off like an indictment.

I believe the intelligence and makeup of our members see through you, and although I haven't figured out what your true agenda is, I have to assume it is either hatred or jealousy.

Ignorance is bliss...to the ignorant.

Oh Well, life goes on, and so will I.

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by gveal

I believe the intelligence and makeup of our members see through you, and although I haven't figured out what your true agenda is, I have to assume it is either hatred or jealousy.

No agenda at all, just a curious soul. Something doesn't make sense, I ask questions.

[Harold E. Miller]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Check around, I give lots of help on this board.

I don't know about you, but when something doesn't make sense, I ask questions. Must be the home inspector in me

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
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Jason why don't you post your tax return here for us to all audit?
I am sure we could have fun tearing through your numbers, and disupting your income, deductions, etc.
I really don't see why you would even care what NACHI's tax return looks like.
...I sure don't. It is not worth my time.

Have fun with your conquest to damage the reputation of NACHI.

[Jason1]

NACHI 2006 Tax return4/11/07 9:40 AMIdiot stick


Idiot stick? Thanks Harold

Almost makes up for the green ones I got.

[dharris]

Originally Posted by Jason1

No agenda at all, just a curious soul. Something doesn't make sense, I ask questions.

Busshy..
Why don't you just join ASHI , that way you can post on the ASHI board instead of having to keep dragging stuff from ASHI over here?

Truth is every member that asks for ASHI accounting of where ALL OUR $s go is answered by the elected members.
ASHI [ owned and controled by it's members ] also welcomes suggestions from it's members on where OUR $s are spent.

By the way... nickeys last post on member #s sure discredits his claim of 99% nachi member renewals, does his latest claim of a 300,000 increase include the 100,000 donation he claimed from a vender??
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