NACHI lowballer loses 3 times.

[Bob Elliott]

Dan the wordage that the competition was Elite does denote a little sarcasm.
I post on TIJ all the time and the majority forum members are ASHI,where I see the same subliminal innuendos quite a bit.
Every once in a while I call them on it,so they can see how desperate it makes them appear.
Other wise they are a bunch of good inspectors.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by tallen

All of that may be true , but Dan never helps anyone on this board??

I can not rememeber the last time he posted any helpfull info to folks seaking help.

Dan, I am ashamed of you. We are both non members, but it seems that when folks ask questions you or I or anyone that posts on this board should offer help.
I try, but you never do. Why is that??

Just curious Dan.

Dan has given me a cigarette every time I have had to opportunity to bum one off him, they were menthol, but I smoked em.

[dharris]

Originally Posted by relliott

Dan the wordage that the competition was Elite does denote a little sarcasm.
I post on TIJ all the time and the majority forum members are ASHI,where I see the same subliminal innuendos quite a bit.
Every once in a while I call them on it,so they can see how desperate it makes them appear.
Other wise they are a bunch of good inspectors.

Just using words from the nachi site stating if inspectors are not nachi certifed they are blind.

So the next time you need to refer your clients to home inspectors, make sure they are members of NACHI and never use a candidate or associate of any association. NACHI, America's elite home inspection association.

[dharris]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Dan has given me a cigarette every time I have had to opportunity to bum one off him, they were menthol, but I smoked em.

Do I need to bring a few extra ones for the ITA thingy on June 07?

[James H. Bushart]

In my area, if you want to be a part of the used house salesman referral system, you have to bid low. One ASHI inspector told me of a call he received from a salesman asking if he could beat....yes, bid lower than....$110.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Nick Wagoner:

"stops at nothing in its attempt to socialize the industry as a whole."

I did my first house inspection in 1982 and have inspected houses (part time or full time) every year since. I'm part of another organization which I believe does not properly regulate its members and has too low standards as do others. These organizations work in their own interests firstly and for the public's secondly as I see no processes to keep track of and act upon complaints.......in my area, the courts seem to have that job.

Government regulation must be the way to go since we have 5 or 6 organizations competing for superiority. Training must be more rigid and verifiable than "I swear I have it" over the internet.

Let's look at other "professional" (we are that, aren't we?) orgs such lawyers, doctors, architects and engineeers. In my province they each have a single governing body given power by an act of our gov't. Here each profession knows what standards they are expected to perform to and the public knows of their association and its power to discipline. Any time a disiplinary action is taken against members, it is usually an event for the press or at least an announcement in the local papers. Can we rise to this level of professionalism or are we a bunch of wannabe's with a false front?

If I knew that a doctor got most of their credentials over the internet without proctored exams, I would only go to them if there were no others around. God, in our province, you can get a better response and action by complaining about a bad hair cut or hairdo since they have a single organization created by law in the same style as doctors, etc.......and for the complainant, the hair will grow back in!!!! For the bad inspection, it's usually off to court.

If socialization stops me from hiring internet trained doctors, lawyers and............. home inspectors, then I'm all for it!!! If you are afraid of it, is it because now you'll really have to be responsible to an agency with power to regulate and......control/ban your activities which doesn't happen now. In many areas, you operate without any control and can do as you want....sounds like home inspector anarchy to me. As an example: In our area, we now have an HI who is a past city councillor and banned-for-life realtor. He operates very freely...obviously! HI Anarchy!!!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

As an example: In our area, we now have an HI who is a past city councillor and banned-for-life realtor. He operates very freely...obviously! HI Anarchy!!!

Having been a member of the same Canadian Association as you belong to ,
I have much experience in how the branches operate.
They should clean up there own home big time.
I have no Idea why the realtor was banned but if he does a good inspection and is now honerable should he not be allowed to make a living at some thing.
I expect many of us would like our past left there.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Nick Wagoner:

"stops at nothing in its attempt to socialize the industry as a whole."

I did my first house inspection in 1982 and have inspected houses (part time or full time) every year since. I'm part of another organization which I believe does not properly regulate its members and has too low standards as do others. These organizations work in their own interests firstly and for the public's secondly as I see no processes to keep track of and act upon complaints.......in my area, the courts seem to have that job.

Government regulation must be the way to go since we have 5 or 6 organizations competing for superiority. Training must be more rigid and verifiable than "I swear I have it" over the internet.

Let's look at other "professional" (we are that, aren't we?) orgs such lawyers, doctors, architects and engineeers. In my province they each have a single governing body given power by an act of our gov't. Here each profession knows what standards they are expected to perform to and the public knows of their association and its power to discipline. Any time a disiplinary action is taken against members, it is usually an event for the press or at least an announcement in the local papers. Can we rise to this level of professionalism or are we a bunch of wannabe's with a false front?

If I knew that a doctor got most of their credentials over the internet without proctored exams, I would only go to them if there were no others around. God, in our province, you can get a better response and action by complaining about a bad hair cut or hairdo since they have a single organization created by law in the same style as doctors, etc.......and for the complainant, the hair will grow back in!!!! For the bad inspection, it's usually off to court.

If socialization stops me from hiring internet trained doctors, lawyers and............. home inspectors, then I'm all for it!!! If you are afraid of it, is it because now you'll really have to be responsible to an agency with power to regulate and......control/ban your activities which doesn't happen now. In many areas, you operate without any control and can do as you want....sounds like home inspector anarchy to me. As an example: In our area, we now have an HI who is a past city councillor and banned-for-life realtor. He operates very freely...obviously! HI Anarchy!!!

Still......licensing solves nothing.

[Michael Larson]

Sometimes I wonder if those who support ever expanding regulation(not just HI) truly understand what freedom is.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Sometimes I wonder if those who support ever expanding regulation(not just HI) truly understand what freedom is.

Our Canadian friends look at these things much differently than we do. Nothing new, really. A couple of hundred years ago, of all of the colonies in North America controlled by England, only 13 chose to be independent while the remaining colonies in the north remained loyal to the King. Many of them didn't quite get the picture then, either.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Roy:

"I have no Idea why the realtor was banned but if he does a good inspection and is now honerable should he not be allowed to make a living at some thing."

This gent walked into the HI field because he has no other skills to get a job with but he can always be a home inspector. He was a political creature (and we know how truthful they all can be) and there were no jobs open there! He is not a member of any organization and no one knows of any background in the construction industry.

So, as I tell many of my customers: "If you can say the words "Home Inspector", then you are one- no legislation and controls. Get a ladder, flashlight and cards......cost= $300.00. That simple. As I said in another post, I was finding 1-3 new certified HI's every week for a while in the Maritimes.

I fear for the public in the next few years- there was question on this board from one of our newer Maritime HI's a few months back about "How to test a sump pump?" If this is the level of knowledge that is being foisted on the public, the overloaded courts will have more coming at them.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

"Still......licensing solves nothing"

Licensing will at least solve the problem of anyone with little or no credentials getting into a field that is very technical and involves most individuals biggest investment. Where have I seen that last hilighted phrase before.......Oh!! In many HI Ads!!! We seem to want to emphasize this and scare them into rushing to us but don't want to seriously control ourselves at the same level as other professionals such as the lawyers or even the licensed trades such as electrician, plumber, gasfitter, etc. If we consider our services comparable in importance, then control should not scare us ......or does it?? Will some of us not make it through more stringent scrutiny??

Remember that the above mentioned trades/professions take 3-4-5+ years to become suitably trained to work on your own? Why can people walk into the HI field?

[Michael Larson]

Brian,

If you want to live in a "nanny state" that's your choice.
But please don't insist that I must also.

[James H. Bushart]

Brian's concern is not for the consumer, as he projects. He is simply another one of the many home inspectors who wish to have the government implement their marketing plan and eliminate the "unworthy" competitor.

It is not that there is an underqualified home inspector in his province...it is the fact that the underqualified home inspector is getting business that he feels would otherwise go to him. Eliminate the inspector and increase sales...and look like a concerned citizen in the process.

Same story...different zip code.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

"Sometimes I wonder if those who support ever expanding regulation(not just HI) truly understand what freedom is."

As society gets more complex, it will need more regulation, not less. If there were no HI"s, there would be no need for regulation. Case closed!! We regulate cars, driving, drinking, drugs, housebuilding, doctors,......Oh!! Way to much stuff. Let's get rid of it. We'd have to let fights in our professional sports go until someone was carried away on a stretcher. Now we have a real winner!!!

In the past when we were simple people with a poorly developed sense of fairness, equality and freedom, we had slaverery (that was alright, was it/); women wouldn't be able to be engineers, lawyers, presidents, HI's; Women should be at home, right.

If you leave it for men and women to make their own rules without a system of regulation run by consensus, we'd be in a hell of a mess. what about cloning? Can someone steal your DNA and clone your parts for sale (because you're a great specimen)? There ought to be a law against that (and I don't think there is yet!).

I have lots of freedom: If I don't like being an HI, I can choose another job. If I don't like being an HI where I live now, I can move (note: this is my second location for working in the HI field; my Canadian social system didn't provide me with $$$ for life when the economy and construction fields in my former area went quite dead in the early 90's.......so I moved). I don't know how you feel you're losing your basic freedoms!!!! They are all protected in your constitution and amendments. Everyone says what they want to on this board (we're all being honest, aren't we?).

The most recent place where I feel my freedoms have been encroached on is right here with this organzation!!! It's membership is going to be capped at 10,000. Why not allow everyone who wants to be an HI in NACHI, the best of organizations, to join? As Roy has said a few times: clean up home first!