I just found the new NAHI lawsuit information

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rstufflebeem

Easy Mario!

You have to admit Mario is not shy and he definatly has the abillity to say it like it is .
Thanks MARIO you are # one with me .
... Cookie

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Originally Posted by mkyriacou

THAT IS,THEY CAN KISS MY *****

Easy Mario!

[Bruce M. Graham, III]

Tracy,
Have you are any of the other morons that have nothing else to do bothered to look at the interNACHI website at all or are you just trying to stir up the pot.

All I see is internachi everywhere and has been there for a while.

[Nick Gromicko]

No one would believe me if I said that we had plans to change to the "new" logo long before this dismissed lawsuit was ever even filed.

So here is the link from the archived message board: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=9032 You might want to look at the date on that thread and the winning logo concept on page 7 of that thread, then compare it to the so called "new" logo concept in the top left corner of every page of www.nachi.org

Now perhaps you see why we didn't even defend this motion.

[Randy D. Stufflebeem]

Originally Posted by rcooke

You have to admit Mario is not shy and he definatly has the abillity to say it like it is .
Thanks MARIO you are # one with me .
... Cookie

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Originally Posted by mkyriacou

THAT IS,THEY CAN KISS MY *****

Easy Mario!

You got to love it and all our brothers from the North. You all do have a way of putting things. I deeply admire it!

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Tracy, incorrect. I am not now, nor have I ever been a party to the lawsuit. They sued the National Association of Certified Home Inspectors, Inc. out of venue in the state where their attorney resides to make it expensive to defend. I was never named as a defendant, although I begged to be.

http://www.nachi.org/confusion.htm

BTW, the Judge dismissed the suit this past Friday afternoon and let me know this morning.

But Nick, you are InterNachi, members have no ownership, you have no partners, no Board of Directors, I agree that techically the Defendent in this case was Nachi or InterNachi, but there is no one else with any financial or policy connection with your Association or Public Relation organization, members have no ownership.

I believe the Lawsuit and the Court enforced agreement between InterNachi and NAHI are different issues. Once an agreement was reached and the Court was forced to step in and take over the enforcement of that agreement, then the Lawsuit itself would become moot wouldn't it?

The Lawsuit may have been dismissed Nick, but the Judge's decision in Michigan still stands. It seems you are attempting to "confuse" (the new InterNachi catch word) your members once again.

How did it go from July, when no members were effected by your agreement with NAHI to your reply to the Court on 17 Sept that ALL MEMBERS MUST CHANGE their marketing to InterNachi? And how did you "reply" to the Court, or specifically NAHI, at least twice in September, and yet tell your members or rather InterNachi did not even respond?

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by gromicko

No one would believe me if I said that we had plans to change to the "new" logo long before this dismissed lawsuit was ever even filed.

So here is the link from the archived message board: http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=9032 You might want to look at the date on that thread and the winning logo concept on page 7 of that thread, then compare it to the so called "new" logo concept in the top left corner of every page of www.nachi.org

Now perhaps you see why we didn't even defend this motion.

Nick, back on 13 July, post #55 of this thread:
http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthrea...nternachi+logo

I began questing you about the use of the InterNachi Logo which already existed, and which now with some modification you have adopted, I even asked that as a member of both organizations interNachi and InterNachi, whether or not we as members could use the original InterNachi Logo instead of the new one with the tiny letters. You told me I was confusing the other members and to remove that logo from my posts, which I did not do.

Over the past few years there have been discussions over InterNachi, as you have stated it was, until July, a separate association with its own Board of Directors etc. There were discussions about whether or not InterNachi was in competition with Nachi, at one time all members of Nachi were automatically members of InterNachi, then for awhile I believe there was a $50 membership fee.

I agree you planned InterNachi years ago, but not, by your own statements, as a replacement for Nachi, which is what it became in July 07'. So you can't spin either the new status of InterNachi or the use of it's logo, at least not to those who have been around for a few years and have paid attention.

There's a difference between "defending" a motion and "responding" to it Nick, maybe you could clear that up by editing some of your other posts where you claimed to have never responded, a "reply" is a response. InterNachi didn't "defend" itself against this motion because you had no defense. Your and others response to your Victory back in July in posts on this public message board ruined any defense you may have had. You said back then that you spent $300,000 in legal fees, at least I believe it was $300k, in reaching the agreement with NAHI, I can't believe any competent attorney would not have warned you about the actions and statements you and Bushart made after the agreement was made, you had a chance until the Victory Celebration got carried away. But hey, it's only money, and InterNachi's money at that. Spin on Nick.

[Nick Gromicko]

We neither defended the motion or responded to it. We offered no reply whatsoever. Not verbal. Not written. Nothing.

I've explained why.

Anyway, the toothpaste has been out of the bottle for some time now. The International Association of Certified Home Inspectors, Inc. was formed in 2004 http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/Busin...ARZc:11nm17ad1. 6 foreign countries have sent delegations to us in 2007. We have members in some 43 countries. We've inspected over 9,000 flats in Hong Kong. South Africa has hundreds of members already. Everything we have is being translated into different languages. We have more members concentrated in Toronto per capita than anywhere in U.S. Move In Certified.com just got a booth at a New Zealand Home Show. Even our 2007 Convention was outside the U.S. www.nachi.org/torontolive/

Back when we were a little PA association and wanted to go national, I asked my staff if they had the energy and zest to go for it. They did, and we ended up with the nation's biggest best inspection association in the country. This is unisputed and even ASHI dropped "largest" from their tagline a couple years ago.

Last year I had a similar meeting with my staff and asked for 5 year commitments to do it again: To go from the nation's biggest best inspection association, to the world's. All but one of my staff agreed to give it hell for another 5 years. So here we go again.

That's why when I posted several months ago that you all might as well call yourselves co-founders, I wasn't joking. Our future will make our current state look as if we've just begun today.

Back when we realized we were going to be one of the world's largest trade associations (not just in the inspection industry, but one of the world's biggest trade associations period) and started joking around with that "Planet NACHI.... resistance is futile" slogan, I wondered how far it was from the truth. Today it appears the funny slogan was our destiny.

Onwards and upwards. Hang on.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by gromicko

We neither defended the motion or responded to it. We offered no reply whatsoever. Not verbal. Not written. Nothing.

I've explained why.

Anyway, the toothpaste has been out of the bottle for some time now. The International Association of Certified Home Inspectors, Inc. was formed in 2004 http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/Busin...ARZc:11nm17ad1. 6 foreign countries have sent delegations to us in 2007. We have members in some 43 countries. We've inspected over 9,000 flats in Hong Kong. South Africa has hundreds of members already. Everything we have is being translated into different languages. We have more members concentrated in Toronto per capita than anywhere in U.S. Move In Certified.com just got a booth at a New Zealand Home Show. Even our 2007 Convention was outside the U.S. www.nachi.org/torontolive/

Back when we were a little PA association and wanted to go national, I asked my staff if they had the energy and zest to go for it. They did, and we ended up with the nation's biggest best inspection association in the country. This is unisputed and even ASHI dropped "largest" from their tagline a couple years ago.

Last year I had a similar meeting with my staff and asked for 5 year commitments to do it again: To go from the nation's biggest best inspection association, to the world's. All but one of my staff agreed to give it hell for another 5 years. So here we go again.

That's why when I posted several months ago that you all might as well call yourselves co-founders, I wasn't joking. Our future will make our current state look as if we've just begun today.

Back when we realized we were going to be one of the world's largest trade associations (not just in the inspection industry, but one of the world's biggest trade associations period) and started joking around with that "Planet NACHI.... resistance is futile" slogan, I wondered how far it was from the truth. Today it appears the funny slogan was our destiny.

Onwards and upwards. Hang on.

But Nick, in my area your membership is down around 70% just since January, how are you going to take over the World with a desertion rate like that?

Seeing as this was all preplanned, maybe I could get an anwer now to a question I asked 4 months ago, Which Association has ceased to exist, Nachi or InterNachi.

From the Court Record:

The Court held a motion hearing on September 5,2007. At the hearing, the Court took
Plaintiffs motion under advisement and requested that the parties submit supplemental briefs
within a week as to Defendant's compliance with the terms of the parties' settlement agreement.
On September 12,2007, Defendant filed a supplemental brief.......

On September 12, 2007, Defendant submitted a supplemental brief indicating that it had
changed its logo again, removed the disparaging remarks from its NACHI.org and
bribewatch.org websites, and was continuing in its efforts to replace the NACHI name elsewhere

On September 17,2007, Defendant filed a Reply to Plaintiffs Response arguing that: (1)
changing all references from "NACHI" to "INTERNACHI" requires a substantial and timeconsuming
effort; (2) Defendant's members will be required to switch to the "INTERNACHI"
name once the new INTERNACHI.org site is launched;...............

You say WE never responded or replied to this motion either verbally or in writting, then just how did the Court receive these Filings, Submissions, and Reply's Nick, telepathically?

[Nick Gromicko]

No word games here. Let me make it clear to you. NO ONE responded to their motion. You are referencing the wrong motion, a former motion filed in September, not the one the Judge ruled on which was filed in early November. How could we reply in September to a motion filed in November without a time machine? It didn't happen. Don't believe everything you read.

Let me make it clear in case you didn't hear me the first time. NO ONE, not the defendant, not me, not any corporation, not any attorney, no one replied, responded or fought their motion.

Their motion to require changes from "NACHI" to "InterNACHI" on nachi.org wasn't responded to or contested, because we had already voluntarily agreed to do that 4 months earlier in a mutual agreement (not a court order).

The case has now been dismissed because the parties entered into an agreement.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by rcooke

YEP and this is just same OH! same OH! we have gone through for many years .
Still NACHI is the biggest Best Home Inspection and best BB around. and you know what in two days it will still be the biggest best and you will be looking for some other dirt to try and spread.
I like you but I do wonder when you are going to see the light at the end of the Tunnel is not a train comming it is just bright day light .
36 Days till Christmas .
Have you started your shopping yet .
NOW! That is some thing important to get concerned about .
Season Greeting to all !

Cookie

Roy, people don't need to look for dirt to spread, it just seems to be attracted to this site and this organization. Maybe it's because of the vacuum of deceipt that seems to reside here, the loophole logic, the advice to ignore State Laws and the refusal to abide by agreements and Court rulings.

Yup, it's the samo OH same Oh here. I look in every now and then, it lookd pretty boring, it seems most of the Packs opposition has been driven into hiding since my expulsion. Out of curiostiy today I logged in and checked my little red box's, it appears I get them even when I don't post, so what the heck, I'll stir the pot some more. I did notice that one of your Little Red Box group, the ones who usually have theirs disabled but are still able to "give", has learned how to spell the Pack's favourite "F" word in lieu of offering any sensible argument, sadly though the "giver" still has not grown any guts and does not sign their name.

At least Roy you aren't afraid of an argument, and if you give out a Little red box you have balls enough to sign it, why don't you teach the other members of your little group how to do that?

The Biggest, correct, the best??? doubtful, as has been demonstrated, this really isn't the Free Speech site that you boast about, at least not for members, I don't agree with the "Best", but it is sometimes the most entertaining, although it's looked pretty boring for the past few months.

Have a good Christmas Roy and I hope, as always, next year is better for everyone than this year, good can always be better.

[Nick Gromicko]

Lewis, now you have me interested. What do you mean this "really isn't a free speech message board?" Explain.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

The Biggest, correct, the best??? doubtful, as has been demonstrated, this really isn't the Free Speech site that you boast about, at least not for members, I don't agree with the "Best", but it is sometimes the most entertaining, although it's looked pretty boring for the past few months.

Have a good Christmas Roy and I hope, as always, next year is better for everyone than this year, good can always be better.

Sorry I guess we will have to agree to disagree .
If there is a better place please let me know .
Free speech available else where please let me know .
Better next year I sure hope not , I could not stand, it every year is always perfect for me and My great wife .
We have always been very satisfied for as long as I can remember.
You can not score over 100% in our life .

We start and finish every day happy it just can not get any better.
... Cookie

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by gromicko

No word games here. Let me make it clear to you. NO ONE responded to their motion. You are referencing the wrong motion, a former motion filed in September, not the one the Judge ruled on which was filed in early November. How could we reply in September to a motion filed in November without a time machine? It didn't happen. Don't believe everything you read.

Let me make it clear in case you didn't hear me the first time. NO ONE, not the defendant, not me, not any corporation, not any attorney, no one replied, responded or fought their motion.

Their motion to require changes from "NACHI" to "InterNACHI" on nachi.org wasn't responded to or contested, because we had already voluntarily agreed to do that 4 months earlier in a mutual agreement (not a court order).

The case has now been dismissed because the parties entered into an agreement.

The case, or lawsuit was dismissed because the Court made the decision to enforce and monitor the "agreement" isn't that right?

As far as to which Motion we are discussing, you once again are playing word games, the Judges Opinion and Order was filed on 13 November, but it was the Opinion and Order that resulted from a Motion filed by NAHI on July 26 isn't that also correct? And didn't Nachi or InterNachi respond, reply, etc not only on the dates I posted but on 10 August. The filing on 13 Nov was not a Motion, it was a Finding, an Opinion and Order to comply with the Motion originally filed in July.

Or is their another Motion by Nahi out there that hasn't been made public yet, that you say the Judge just rendered an opinion on, other than the dismissal of the original lawsuit because InterNachi and Nahi have reached an "agreement" by order of the Court.

So just what didn't you Defend Nick? The final order and opinion or the dismissal of the lawsuit? But you, rather InterNachi, did respond and reply to the original Motion, and some of your replies, ike the one stating the difficulty in changing your websites, could be taken as a form of Defense.

How about the contradicting Statements in the Opinion Nick? On September 17 you told the court that all your members must change their logos etc, yet in other places you claim that the members were not effected by the original agreement and that you are "encouraging" them to change. Is that more word games?

Back to a 4 month old question that may still be of interest to many of your members, a straight answer would benefit them....DO YOUR MEMBERS HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR LOGOS AND REFERENCES TO NACHI ON THEIR MARKETING MATERIALS....Yes or No?

[Nick Gromicko]

You're confusing fighting a lawsuit which both parties mutually settled and a recent motion filed on November 8th. Maybe someone intentionally put out information to confuse you?

Their motion was filed on November 8th. No one replied to it because we didn't have any problem with doing what we agreed to do 4 months ago. What is there to oppose?

The judge could order both parties to color everything it owns with pink paint if he so desires. He's a judge. So I don't really know if he will order either party to do anything more or not. If he does, both sides will probably end up buying a lot of pink paint.

Anyway, we did not oppose this motion and will not oppose any future motions or appeal any future decisions that don't substantially hamper our plans for world domination.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by gromicko

You're confusing fighting a lawsuit which both parties mutually settled and a recent motion filed on November 8th. Maybe someone intentionally put out information to confuse you?

Their motion was filed on November 8th. No one replied to it because we didn't have any problem with doing what we agreed to do 4 months ago. What is there to oppose?

The judge could order both parties to color everything it owns with pink paint if he so desires. He's a judge. So I don't really know if he will order either party to do anything more or not. If he does, both sides will probably end up buying a lot of pink paint.

Anyway, we did not oppose this motion and will not oppose any future motions or appeal any future decisions that don't substantially hamper our plans for world domination.

No Nick you're the one who is attempting to confuse the issue, you brought up the Lawsuit and its dismissal, maybe the motion to dismiss the suit was the one made on 8 Nov. I haven't discussed the lawsuit, other than in reference to your comments at all, the original lawsuit has no real bearing on the Opinion and Order Issue by the Judge on 13 Nov, he stated that he would enter and order of dismissal, but retain jurisdiction over the agreement. That was right before he granted 3 out of 4 motions by NAHI.

It's not me discussing the wrong Motions and Opinions Nick, it's you. Maybe you're right about not defending the Nov 8 Motion, but you are attempting to deceive your members that the opinion rendered on 13 Nov was the same one. If the Lawsuit was settled by agreement, even if that agreement was enforced by a Court, then why not dismiss the origninal Lawsuit, it has, as you say been settled.