I just found the new NAHI lawsuit information

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Lewis, now you have me interested. What do you mean this "really isn't a free speech message board?" Explain.

I'm the wrong guy to ask for an explanation of free speech here don't you think Nick? I'm the example that there isn't any, at least for members who have to abide by your COE.

[Nick Gromicko]

OK. We're off topic. I'll start a topic called "Hey Lewis" in this forum. You explain to all how you feel this message board is not protecting free speech. If I don't know something I should, I will make it right for you.

I'll see you there in a minute.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Lewis it is so obvious how much you love NACHI and its members and how you are allowed to come here and post your drivel .
Many times you do say some great things .
Why not renew we will both be happy

Cookie.....

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Lewis it is so obvious how much you love NACHI and its members and how you are allowed to come here and post your drivel .
Many times you do say some great things .
Why not renew we will both be happy

Cookie.....

What's wrong Roy hasn't anyone been disagreeing with you for the past few months, pretty boring when that happens isn't it. I stop by every now and then but haven't found any good arguements to join, today like I stated, I found I still get little red boxes, so why not stir things up.

[Randy D. Stufflebeem]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Lewis it is so obvious how much you love NACHI and its members and how you are allowed to come here and post your drivel .
Many times you do say some great things .
Why not renew we will both be happy

Cookie.....

Exactly Lewis,

Free speech????? I have said many things in Members Only section some for which I was in support of you and did not get my walking papers. Indeed, the ones that have been here the longest sometimes tend to gang up on someone but I have only seen that in defense of this organization or one of its members being treated badly (Is that so bad?). I remember quite clearly when you really started heating things up and the many, including me ask you just to make it good or leave it alone. I quite frankly agree with Cookie, I wish you would come back because you are a smart man and not scared to voice your opinion. But sometimes if the majority do not agree with your assessment on a given subject maybe you should just sit back, take a breath, and think about it. Maybe the majority is right on occasion. If you don't want to be a part of this organization for Gods sake...Move On! Doing this can only make you more angry. Really look at it, does it make your life better or does it just waste time as you could be out drumming up business or doing an inspection or something!
Just my thoughts because I do respect your opinion.
Sorry for the rambling,
Randy

[Brian C. Hoagland]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

What's wrong Roy hasn't anyone been disagreeing with you for the past few months, pretty boring when that happens isn't it. I stop by every now and then but haven't found any good arguements to join, today like I stated, I found I still get little red boxes, so why not stir things up.

The spirited argument Roy and I had (among others on both sides) regarding styrofam insulation didn't spark any interest? Or, is it that you are only interested in attempting to acheive some dissatisfaction in the rank and file, to promote negative feelings about an organization for some perverse rational. Every time any member of any home inspection organization takes a soapbox stand against another it cheapens our proffession. This political nonsense does more damage than is understood and should be put to an end.Inspectors as a group (without any organizations) number in amounts that government would listen to. When we allow our affilliations to divide us we weaken ourselves. The time has come and gone for these differences and the false loyalties to be cast aside to work towards common goals. What is your goal?

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by rstufflebeem

Exactly Lewis,

Free speech????? I have said many things in Members Only section some for which I was in support of you and did not get my walking papers. Indeed, the ones that have been here the longest sometimes tend to gang up on someone but I have only seen that in defense of this organization or one of its members being treated badly (Is that so bad?). I remember quite clearly when you really started heating things up and the many, including me ask you just to make it good or leave it alone. I quite frankly agree with Cookie, I wish you would come back because you are a smart man and not scared to voice your opinion. But sometimes if the majority do not agree with your assessment on a given subject maybe you should just sit back, take a breath, and think about it. Maybe the majority is right on occasion. If you don't want to be a part of this organization for Gods sake...Move On! Doing this can only make you more angry. Really look at it, does it make your life better or does it just waste time as you could be out drumming up business or doing an inspection or something!
Just my thoughts because I do respect your opinion.
Sorry for the rambling,
Randy

Randy, there's a thing in political science called the tyrany of the majority, just because the majority has an opinion doesn't mean it's right and that the minority should shut up or leave.

I argued for months about the Washington SPI Issue, Bushart said it was unenforcable, did not pertain to Home Inspectors, etc. I admitted when I was wrong about the Sub Issue, but even after the State Attorney General issued their statement on the law he refused to admit any mistake on his part...should I have shut up? Ms Forsyth was warned by the WSDA, she listened to him not to me or other Washington Inspectors, now she's been fined, should I have shut up.

Go to the members area and read Bushart's post about why I was kicked out, read all the "quotes" he presented of posts I had made, then compare what I said with what this Judge in Michigan decided, was I wrong, should I have shut up? I probably should have shut up and may have if I had been interested in remaining a member, but previous arguments over the SOP etc. had made my Nachi membership an embarrassment to me, so why quit, why not irritate the pack as much as I could/can?

I've been pretty busy, inspections have slowed but renovating and flipping houses still pays good, plus it's been fantastic fishing this year, days like today though are boring, why not stir the pot where it needs stirred the most.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by [LEFT

bhoagland[/LEFT]]The spirited argument Roy and I had (among others on both sides) regarding

styrofam

insulation didn't spark any interest? Or, is it that you are only interested in attempting to

acheive

some dissatisfaction in the rank and file, to promote negative feelings about an organization for some perverse rational. Every time any member of any home inspection organization takes a soapbox stand against another it cheapens our

proffession

. This political nonsense does more damage than is understood and should be put to an

end.Inspectors

as a group (without any organizations) number in amounts that government would listen to. When we allow our

affilliations

to divide us we weaken ourselves. The time has come and gone for these differences and the false loyalties to be cast aside to work towards common goals. What is your goal?

Political

damage is easy to do, your association here has, from what I hear 8000 members spread out over 50 States and several countries, you have neither the numbers or the agreement within your own association to be much of a political force in any state. Your loudest voices, and the ones in control are anti licensing in any form, yet most polls I've seen here over the past few years have shown that the majority favor regulation of some type.

I have no affiliation Brian, I'm not a fan of any Association, this one, for arguments long past, became an embarrassment to me , I've stayed away for four months now and haven't entered any discussions here, but recently the same old voices have been appearing on other message boards making statements that are untrue, trying to spin issues and decisions that can't be spun out there in the real world.

Seeing as the issue is the last one I argued here before I was kicked out, I decided to stop by

and

see the Celebration over the Court Decision in Michigan, but low and behold, nobody is talking about it here, yet people like Elliot and Nice bring their spin to me out there in the real world. Why not keep most of the discussion here.

My goal? Here it's to irritate

Bushart

and the boys and to point out the spin that is being used by your leaders once again., after all this is a Free Speech Zone, for non members anyway.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rcooke

If I was a betting man I think I would put all my money on NICK before I invested 15 cents on you and ( Tracy Schoop ).
be interesting to see what you two wind bags can come up with next.
.... Cookie

It looks to me like NICK was correct and Tracy and Lewis as per usuall are full of Nothing .
Today is November 21st and things do not look liked they Changed at NACHI..
.... Cookie

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f11/just-found-new-national-association-home-inspectors-lawsuit-information-22580/

Originally Posted by Tracy Schoop

I just found this on another discussion board.
http://www.inspectorsjournal.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6006
Sounds like November 20, 2007 might be interesting around here.

Originally Posted by gromicko

Tracy writes:

Changes have long been made. Nothing new will change on November 20th: http://www.nachi.org/confusion.htm

[Randy D. Stufflebeem]

Originally Posted by rcooke

It looks to me like NICK was correct and Tracy and Lewis as per usuall are full of Nothing .
Today is November 21st and things do not look liked they Changed at NACHI..
.... Cookie

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f11/just-found-new-national-association-home-inspectors-lawsuit-information-22580/

I wore a hard hat all day thinking we were going to get hit. Cookie says Canada okay and the US seems good. Better check with the rest of International NACHI to find out damages.

[Brian C. Hoagland]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

Political

damage is easy to do, your association here has, from what I hear 8000 members spread out over 50 States and several countries, you have neither the numbers or the agreement within your own association to be much of a political force in any state. Your loudest voices, and the ones in control are anti licensing in any form, yet most polls I've seen here over the past few years have shown that the majority favor regulation of some type.

I have no affiliation Brian, I'm not a fan of any Association, this one, for arguments long past, became an embarrassment to me , I've stayed away for four months now and haven't entered any discussions here, but recently the same old voices have been appearing on other message boards making statements that are untrue, trying to spin issues and decisions that can't be spun out there in the real world.


Seeing as the issue is the last one I argued here before I was kicked out, I decided to stop by

and

see the Celebration over the Court Decision in Michigan, but low and behold, nobody is talking about it here, yet people like Elliot and Nice bring their spin to me out there in the real world. Why not keep most of the discussion here.


My goal? Here it's to irritate

Bushart

and the boys and to point out the spin that is being used by your leaders once again., after all this is a Free Speech Zone, for non members anyway.

Do as you wish but I personally feel as though a 15 minute getaway in the bathroom with a hustler mag might get more accomplished. Some people you just can't reach, That's why you get what we had here last week I don't like this any more than you- Key in Axel singing "My hands are tied". I f you think something positive will come of this go forward. If not relent, as I have said do as you wish.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by rcooke

It looks to me like NICK was correct and Tracy and Lewis as per usuall are full of Nothing .
Today is November 21st and things do not look liked they Changed at NACHI..
.... Cookie

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f11/just-found-new-national-association-home-inspectors-lawsuit-information-22580/

You guys have no patience Roy, back in July some of you were saying that NAHI would not file they motion the judge just finalized. As you can read in his opinion and order, Nick does things behind the scenes that are the opposite of what he tells his members.

No biggie, just more deception and spin, but give he Judge Time, or maybe Nick accomplished 2 years work in 7 days. Everyone here seems to want shift the subject, if the Judges decision is so insignificant why not just agree with it and do the changes the order requires instead of denying that he is now in chqarge of enforcing the agrement. There was a lawsuit, an agreement and an order by a Federal Judge to follow his interpretation of the agreement and pay legal fees for NAHI's motion, yes the Lawsuit was dissmissed, but the Order still is in effect.

Be patient Joe, InterNachi will end up complying with the Judge in the end, or as Joe B. suggests, it will move to the Cayman Islands, a pretty drastic move over something so insignificant, but that's Joe.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

No biggie, just more deception and spin, but give he Judge Time, or maybe Nick accomplished 2 years work in 7 days. Everyone here seems to want shift the subject, if the Judges decision is so insignificant why not just agree with it and do the changes the order requires instead of denying that he is now in chqarge of enforcing the agrement. There was a lawsuit, an agreement and an order by a Federal Judge to follow his interpretation of the agreement and pay legal fees for NAHI's motion, yes the Lawsuit was dissmissed, but the Order still is in effect.

Be patient Joe, InterNachi will end up complying with the Judge in the end, or as Joe B. suggests, it will move to the Cayman Islands, a pretty drastic move over something so insignificant, but that's Joe.

Its not me who is concerned it is you who said we would be shut down on the 20th .
I have faith in NICK it is you who keeps saying the sky is falling .
You seem to have trouble excepting most NACHI members are very happy and satisfied .
You try and spred much BS and only get your self worked up . You I think enjoy yopu little rambles and fortunatly they are jus BS no bad things have come about with all you drum beating all you get is NOISE .

34 days till christmas have you done your shopping yet.

.... Cookie

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

Be patient Joe, InterNachi will end up complying with the Judge in the end, or as Joe B. suggests, it will move to the Cayman Islands, a pretty drastic move over something so insignificant, but that's Joe.

Hey Lewis,

The next time you see that judge tell him he can get in line right behind you and pucker up cause I ain't never gonna remove the NACHI logo off of my truck.

FMCDH

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Hey Lewis,

The next time you see that judge tell him he can get in line right behind you and pucker up cause I ain't never gonna remove the NACHI logo off of my truck.

FMCDH

On September 17,2007, Defendant filed a Reply to Plaintiffs Response arguing that: (1)
changing all references from "NACHI" to "INTERNACHI" requires a substantial and timeconsuming
effort; (2) Defendant's members will be required to switch to the "INTERNACHI"

That's the way to stand up to Nick and the Judge Joe, but couldn't that refusal to obey Nick be considered a violation of Nick's COE?

Stand up and fight the change Joe, I'm sure you're on NAHI's list, it's not me or the Judge that will be knocking on your door, it will be NAHI's Attorney's, fight 'em Joe, stand up for your rights, even against the orders of your Association's Leader.