Let's talk ESOP

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rwand1

What is even more regrettable is your attempt to use my good name to give your corrupt association credibility in Canada.

Now THAT's funny, I don't care who you are.

[rwand1]

Bushfart your repeated juvenile spin on this is the biggest joke. You continually prove you haven't got a clue.

Your shortcomings manifest themselves in your need to power trip. Unfortunately you're proving just how incompetent you are!

[rwand1]

Bushfart you are tripping up badly....

So...Joe's email is STILL irrelevant to this committee. We don't care what these two or three men said to each other in their email. It is none of our business.

Priceless! You just keep on contradiciting yourself!

[Nick Gromicko]

John writes

First define what a "private" email is? If the originating email author included a disclaimer or a notice of private, we would all agree with you. But such was not the case.

It was an email authored by a iNACHI director eliminating the term "private" email.

Post #22 is inaccurate.

Well, under that argument, all emails are by default public if they aren't declared private by the sender using that technical notice which says "its private, don't post this up". Fine. Then your same argument makes an email private when declared by the sender through other forms of notice, such as when the sender says "it's private, take it down."

I know, I hang around attorneys too much.

[Blaine Wiley]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I really don't know what this was about. But I'm all ears. Is my assesment of the situation in my post #22 inaccurate?

Your assessment of the situation is precise. There are those who feel that when I write you an email to discuss something, it is perfectly ok if you post it without my permission because our email conversation is not private.

Fortunately, those who don't understand the privacy issue are very few.

[Doug Edwards, CMI]

I used to teach a course that included numerous exercises on "situational ethics". Would we still be having this discussion if say the person who posted the email was....Wendy Forsyth.

[rwand1]

PRICELESS BUSHFART !

I admit that expulsion of Raymond Wand was not the appropriate sanction to apply in this instance.

Until such time that the ESOP Committee has the authority to authorize and to administer the death penalty, we are going to just have to live with it.

[James H. Bushart]

More on email....

Threatening emails from members should be sent to your local police to investigate. Don't send them to us. None of us care enough to come to your house and provide you with physical protection. When the police have investigated and concluded that the email came from a fellow member and that he meant to harm you, send us a copy of that report and we will review it for the possibility of sanctions.

If you receive a copy of an email that you feel shows or proves that a member has acted to unlawfully discriminate against another member or the public, don't post it on the message board. Send it to us and we will investigate it and take any action that is appropriate regarding our COE.

If you receive a copy of an email that you feel shows or proves that a member has or is acting dishonestly with the public, don't post it on the message board. You could be mistaken, the email could be miswritten, or other errors could exist causing you to publicly and wrongfully affect a man's business. Send us the email and let us investigate it.

[Nick Gromicko]

Well, once you argue that it is fine to post a private email from a fellow member because the sender failed to include a technical notice.... you have made the argument that an email's level of privacy is determined by the sender.... and therefore the sender can deem his email to be private by way of any other form of notice such as a request.

I happen to agree... an email's privacy is determined by the sender and declared by notice (either in the email itself or otherwise).

[jbowman]

Nick,

I would love to sit here and play the political wishy washy word games with you.

Do us all a favor and digest this.

You have always been there in the past for the membership. I've stood by your side as you dealt with the most minute situations to the most strenous situations.

But by golly you stood tall and proud in protecting the member and we were proud and honored to have you on our side.

But now we have a hole in the system, that needs attention.
The COE does not afford the iNACHI membership with protection from emails written by other iNACHI members.

The membership is getting sick and tired of threats, innuendo, etc. with absolutely no recourse or method of self protection. Yes, we have posted others emails, but let's face it - your protection from these jerks has not been there when we needed it. So we post their emails to expose them for what they are and forewarn other iNACHI members for their own safety or protection.

What is wrong with that???

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jbowman

The COE does not afford the iNACHI membership with protection from emails written by other iNACHI members.

Protection from emails can best be provided by the command "Delete".

[jbowman]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Well, once you argue that it is fine to post a private email from a fellow member because the sender failed to include a technical notice.... you have made the argument that an email's level of privacy is determined by the sender.... and therefore the sender can deem his email to be private by way of any other form of notice such as a request.

I happen to agree... an email's privacy is determined by the sender and declared by notice (either in the email itself or otherwise).

But not after the fact....

[jbowman]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Protection from emails can best be provided by the command "Delete".

Come On Jim.....You can do better than that.

The bb system has an ignore button. So I suppose if the writer didn't like seeing his post on the bb he could have used the ignore button.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jbowman

Come On Jim.....You can do better than that.

The bb system has an ignore button. So I suppose if the writer didn't like seeing his post on the bb he could have used the ignore button.

What protection do you need from my email, John? Is it the threat of a paper cut?

Use your imagination for a minute and think of the kinds of email that ESOP Committee members receive. I promise, they are NOT all love letters. Should we sanction each member who uses threats, dirty words, etc...in expressing their displeasure. We respect their privacy and right to free speech.

I could start a thread of published emails that would knock your socks off, but I won't, because it is wrong.

[Nick Gromicko]

Some damage may be done if someone interprets your email as public because you failed to include a technical notice... but why should the damage continue once you alert the recipient that your email is private via other means?