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[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by nwagner

Are your marketing skills deficient enough that you have to worry about the "qualifications" of all other inspectors?

I do litigation work. The last 3 calls I have had from homeowners disgruntled with their inspections have been against INACHI newbies! The first two were items that should have been caught by any inspector but were under $2,000; the last one we're waiting for spring and the ground to thaw to look at some structural issues with buried (rotted) non-preserved wood in the sill area....not even a concern or referral mentioned in the report. The public deserves better than this.

The last time I was in court against an HI was for a simlar issue. The HI sold the company about 6 months after the court case! It now has its 4th owner since inception in the 1996-7 period.

As I said in a post on another thread today: IMHO, HI standards are below what they should be today but in the worst way, INACHI has lowered the overall standards ("true certification") in the industry while Nick spins about all the training people get here. Someone the other night was pissed about not being able to write the test right away while it was fresh in his mind. You should be able to carry great training with you and at least pass a test after the training period.

On a regional radio network last fall, one older, successful local farmer/entrepreneur commenting on his industry said "Certification means nothing these days!!" We should be listening to our elders.....standards are dropping!!

[rmaday]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

I do litigation work. The last 3 calls I have had from homeowners disgruntled with their inspections have been against INACHI newbies!

I guess you've never had disgruntled homeowners from other associations, or those with no affiliation at all.

Interesting.

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

I do litigation work. The last 3 calls I have had from homeowners disgruntled with their inspections have been against INACHI newbies! The first two were items that should have been caught by any inspector but were under $2,000; the last one we're waiting for spring and the ground to thaw to look at some structural issues with buried (rotted) non-preserved wood in the sill area....not even a concern or referral mentioned in the report. The public deserves better than this.

The last time I was in court against an HI was for a simlar issue. The HI sold the company about 6 months after the court case! It now has its 4th owner since inception in the 1996-7 period.

As I said in a post on another thread today: IMHO, HI standards are below what they should be today but in the worst way, INACHI has lowered the overall standards ("true certification") in the industry while Nick spins about all the training people get here. Someone the other night was pissed about not being able to write the test right away while it was fresh in his mind. You should be able to carry great training with you and at least pass a test after the training period.

On a regional radio network last fall, one older, successful local farmer/entrepreneur commenting on his industry said "Certification means nothing these days!!" We should be listening to our elders.....standards are dropping!!

Your story doesn't quite add up. From what you are saying, you profit off of incompetent, overnight certified inspectors (mainly NACHI ones, the association you just happen to loathe).

I certainly wouldn't be complaining about the diploma mill if I was getting steady, lucrative and interesting litigation work out of it ...

[Nick Gromicko]

Brian, our membership requirements www.nachi.org/rigorous2006.htm are above and beyond what each state/province requires. What does your province require?

Anyway, that didn't take long! Platinum affiliate packages sold for software, insurance and laboratory categories already.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by nwagner

Your story doesn't quite add up. From what you are saying, you profit off of incompetent, overnight certified inspectors (mainly NACHI ones, the association you just happen to loathe).

I certainly wouldn't be complaining about the diploma mill if I was getting steady, lucrative and interesting litigation work out of it ...

I have not yet been in court against an INACHI inspector yet. The last 3 calls from disgruntled homebuyers were against INACHI inspectors, all "certified" within the past 8-15 months (A professional realtor with extensive franchising experience set up locally to sell HI franchises and is using INACHI for the newbies due to its "Cheap 'n Easy full certification". The master franchisor for this area claimed on the web, he sold more franchises in 9 months than he projected he would sell in 3 years. So you see what has happened here. Maybe a lot more calls will come in!!

The last HI I was in court against was a member of the association I belong to. But was only classified as an Applicant Home Inspector (AHI)with entry level course requirements/background experience verified by the association. It would have been another 1-2 years before he was FULLY CERTIFIED. He bought an existing business which of course already had exposure in the marktplace.......making it much easier to drum up business, even with mere entry level qualifications. It took a retired fully certified good municipal inspector (30 years experience) about 1.5 years to be fully certified with our local chapter!!!

Is there a difference in the requirements? You bet!!

Should HI's have at least 1-2 years experience before being foisted on the public? You bet!!

Are the SOP"s behind the times? You bet!!

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Brian, our membership requirements www.nachi.org/rigorous2006.htm are above and beyond what each state/province requires. What does your province require?

Anyway, that didn't take long! Platinum affiliate packages sold for software, insurance and laboratory categories already.

Be back later this evening. Go to go talk to North America's pre-eminent Building Scientist, Joe Lstiburek. He's been brought into this province by my old gov dept on a regular basis since 1984 to give one day sessions in trade schools and/or speak at the regular ENERhouse 2 day conference.

[rmaday]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

The last HI I was in court against was a member of the association I belong to.

Oh, so every Org has inspectors who have disgruntled clients.

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

The last 3 calls I have had from homeowners disgruntled with their inspections have been against INACHI newbies!

From the above post, it seemed you were impliing that inspectors from the only org that you haven't been to court against, were the only ones with disgruntled clients.

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

I have not yet been in court against an INACHI inspector yet.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

CONGRATULATIONS!

It looks like a fine program!

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by rmaday

"The last 3 calls I have had from homeowners disgruntled with their inspections have been against INACHI newbies!"

From the above post, it seemed you were impliing that inspectors from the only org that you haven't been to court against, were the only ones with disgruntled clients.

I actually used to get less than 1 call a year against HI's in my area. The new franchisor using INACHI "certification" has sold most of its franchises in the last 15-16 months, corresponding to the 3 calls I have had!! So help me here on my assumption by the emperic method: NACHI "certified" HI's increase in my area, calls with complaints against NACHI "certified" HI's go up (with no recent calls against other HI's) therefore:

(1) there's nothing amiss with the scenario; happens all the time
(2) INACHI members get the worst complaining home buyers
(3) A correlation seems to be developing (I'm implying)
(4) this a big fluke

[Nick Gromicko]

E&O insurance underwriter actuaries disagree with you Brian, and they have to put their money where their mouth is... and do. There is a reason InterNACHI members get the exclusive E&O insurance deals, and you non-members have to pay more.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

I do litigation work. The last 3 calls I have had from homeowners disgruntled with their inspections have been against INACHI newbies! The first two were items that should have been caught by any inspector but were under $2,000; the last one we're waiting for spring and the ground to thaw to look at some structural issues with buried (rotted) non-preserved wood in the sill area....not even a concern or referral mentioned in the report. The public deserves better than this.

The last time I was in court against an HI was for a simlar issue. The HI sold the company about 6 months after the court case! It now has its 4th owner since inception in the 1996-7 period.

As I said in a post on another thread today: IMHO, HI standards are below what they should be today but in the worst way, INACHI has lowered the overall standards ("true certification") in the industry while Nick spins about all the training people get here. Someone the other night was pissed about not being able to write the test right away while it was fresh in his mind. You should be able to carry great training with you and at least pass a test after the training period.

On a regional radio network last fall, one older, successful local farmer/entrepreneur commenting on his industry said "Certification means nothing these days!!" We should be listening to our elders.....standards are dropping!!

Most of those sanctioned here by the State board are not affiliated, second most complaints are against the ASHI guys.
http://www.btr.state.az.us/general/d...inary_info.asp

Why is that? I do not know, but I am sure someone could spin it any way they wanted.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Most of those sanctioned here by the State board are not affiliated, second most complaints are against the ASHI guys.
http://www.btr.state.az.us/general/d...inary_info.asp

Why is that? I do not know, but I am sure someone could spin it any way they wanted.

Ah, proof is nice to see. Any proof Brian M?

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by kpierce

Ah, proof is nice to see. Any proof Brian M?

I couldn't tell who were ashi, nahi, nachi, so I'll leave it to BK's judgement. I wonder what the ratio of inspectors of each org working in AZ are and are the disciplinary #'s out of proportion to the actual HI #'s?

We don't have licensing here so the #'s I quote are what I have dealt with. I don't know if other HI's /litigators have any other instances of complaints.

We have about 14-15 NACHI here.......23-24 CAPHI........No ASHI......probably 8-10+ non-affiliated. The proportion of calls against the new NACHI HI's received by myself is proportionately high...........................That's all I can say!!

And 3-4 early NACHI members are now out of business or haven't re-joined..........Nickey could easily do a database search to confirm this!!

[John J. Passailaigue, Jr.]

I think it's funny you had to back peddle a little from your previous posts, and then gave "facts" (he, he, he! WINK- try and use your imagination about the facts part) that no one could verify. Is it me or is it that I have never posted anything on an ASHI, Nahi, ect. board becuse I am happy where I am. I don't act like a child and try to destroy something that I am not a part of. It would be a wonderful virtue (again) if we all could practice "if you don't have anything nice to say, then keep the your pie hole shut" and/or "it is better to be thought of a fool, than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt." Was this trip REALLY necessary? If you're not part of the org. anymore, then try not to worry about things that have nothing to do with you anymore. Remember, you left for a reason? No whurry up and leave so we can start missing you!

[John J. Passailaigue, Jr.]

Oh my gosh. I forgot. I surely hope I don't get a red square, from a secret someone. I will be forced to leave this orginazation for the complete outrage of my own doing, then start posting bad, mean, hurtful (mostly anoying) posts in a false name. THEN, complain about how disenfranchised I am from the orginazation that I left of my own free will. NAH, I'm having too much fun being part of the "controversial" diploma mill factory that has a bunch of blind idiots that couldn't inspect an ant hill compaired to those elite inspector diploma mill factorys!