New service for members who discover foundation issues.

[dbucknavich]

Originally Posted by ekartal

Dylan,

Did you just get booted?

Yes Erol. That was kind of the goal. I wasn't signing back up. And a month or so ago, I had all the organizations logos and mentions removed from my website.

[dbucknavich]

Originally Posted by Peter Tafeen

Did you quit because of me?

Yes. You were the last straw to be honest. But technically I didn't quit. Nick dared me to reply to his last rant, then booted me. He is a 12 year old with a beard. I am sorry to say that about your friend, but I am a truthful kind of guy.

[dbucknavich]

Well at least you only plead to 1 charge, or else I might have thought you were actually guilty of something.

[Nick Gromicko]

Uh, no.... you wasted everyone's time claiming that you had a way to predict that a vendor would go out out of business one day in the future.

You said that InterNACHI should do its "due diligence" on every vendor.

But then were totally unable to explain what it is you wanted us to do.

Let us know if you come up with something or if you were just blabbin'.

[Christopher Currins]

Originally Posted by Peter Tafeen

You won't find any truth here. The only truth is what you read in the court documentation provided by so many. Sorry to be the cause of so many departures, but I am in need of income to support my family. Better here than in the soup line. To be honest I was going to take in dirty money, and launder it, but I have a skin condition which prevents me getting my hands wet for any length of time.

[dbucknavich]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Uh, no.... you wasted everyone's time claiming that you had a way to predict that a vendor would go out out of business one day in the future.

You said that InterNACHI should do its "due diligence" on every vendor.

But then were totally unable to explain what it is you wanted us to do.

Let us know if you come up with something or if you were just blabbin'.

Ok son. If you can show me the post where I said I could predict business failure, then I'll concur with you. Until then, go spin yourself into a corner and wait for a newbie to come walking into your web.

I've explained plenty, and everything I've explained can be read. I'm done with the back and forth about this, as you showed us your logic is no logic at all.

Oh, and thank you for removing my affiliation. Honestly, I am relieved.

[klott]

Originally Posted by rspriggs

I've finally got it all figured out.
The same handful conspire with Nick all week to come up with some really hot debateable topic.
It gets launched on Fri PM's to keep the MB actively posting thru the weekend.
Side bets are taken by all players to see how many posts will tally up in the thread in, say, 48 hrs.
Sun PM, a pre-arranged victory / truce is declared, someone else drops out of NACHI membership, and condolence letters go out to the (former) member, along with a poll on Mon AM, "Should GoodOleBoy XYZ be reinstated to NACHI?"


Sorry, guys, I don't buy into these anymore . . . .

For the record, this subject nor the others has anything to do with my leaving Nachi.

[Nick Gromicko]

In post # 88 of this thread, regarding the vendor that went out of business, you said that you expect InterNACHI to perform due diligence to prevent it. Here is your quote:

What I would expect however, is a little due diligence on your behalf if you're going to let someone sell their product to us.

We'd be happy to. How? What do we do to predict that a vendor will go out of business one day. I'm assuming that since you "expect" us to be able to do it, you know how yourself. So tell us how.

[dbucknavich]

Originally Posted by dbucknavich

No I don't. That's goofy. What I would expect however, is a little due diligence on your behalf if you're going to let someone sell their product to us. We will do our own, but there is obvious disappointment when we are the ones discovering the flaws. Especially in a case like that, where they weren't even launched yet.

So here is the actual post, and I still don't see where I said we should predict a business closing its doors. Do you take me for such a fool that I expect to foresee such a thing? I would expect that of no one. Like I said, everything I asked for is posted. IBS was not up and running when you allowed them to pitch to us, and yes, I think you should have been aware of that. If you don't, so be it. At least some people will see by your posts here who you look out for, and who you don't.

I don't put words in your mouth, so please be a gentleman and refrain from doing so to me.

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by gromicko

2. It turns out your suspicions were right, and the client walks on the deal. Great! There is no liability in an inspection on a home your client didn't buy.

Its not so great if the over-the-phone "expert" misinterprets the crack for whatever reason, the seller gets peeved, hires their own SE to review it, finds it to be ok and then the seller turns around and sues you for their financial losses (losing the sale, paying the SE, legal expenses) stemming from your negligent assessment of it ...

[Nick Gromicko]

Quote:
Originally Posted by gromicko
2. It turns out your suspicions were right, and the client walks on the deal. Great! There is no liability in an inspection on a home your client didn't buy.

Its not so great if the over-the-phone "expert" misinterprets the crack for whatever reason, the seller gets peeved, hires their own SE to review it, finds it to be ok and then the seller turns around and sues you for their financial losses (losing the sale, paying the SE, legal expenses) stemming from your negligent assessment of it ...

Uh, no. The seller would have what is called "no standing" in a suit against an inspector because the seller isn't the inspector's client.

We deal with this on a regular basis (where the seller is not happy with the buyer's inspector). Probably twice a week.

Basically, a buyer is free to purchase incorrect advice from an inspector or engineer and the seller can't do much about it, other than hire his/her own experts. An inspector has a duty to his/her client.... not anyone else.

[Nick Gromicko]

Duty is one of the 4 things you need to prove to win a negligence suit against an inspector (and you have to prove all 4). An inspector working for a buyer has no duty to to the seller to be correct.

[Nick Gromicko]

Well, I combine 2 and 3, and sum it up for inspectors as:

1. Duty. The plaintiff has to prove that they were your inspection client.
2. The inspector had to have been negligent in performing the inspection and the plaintiff has to prove this (very tough).
3. The negligence had to have lead to the damages and the plaintiff has to prove this. So an inspector reporting that the furnace is fine when it was not, does not lead to a negligence argument over a roof.
4. The plaintiff has to prove the amount of the damages ($$$).

The plaintiff has to prove all 4.

[Nick Gromicko]

Or in short:

Duty
Negligence
Causation
Damages

[RAY THOROMAN]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Ever find foundation issues during an inspection? Ever point out cracks to your client? Ever not sure what those cracks mean? Ever afraid to say to much for fear of practicing engineering without a license? Ever have a client ask... "Are these cracks something to worry about?"

InterNACHI to the rescue!

InterNACHI has partnered with a network of structural and professional engineers across the U.S. and Canada. We are setting up a special phone number that members can call, right from an inspection, and get help.

The foundation experts on the other end will speak to you or your client direct and explain what the presence of different cracks may mean. The experts will also review pictures the inspector can upload to fetchreport.com (InterNACHI's report upload system) if desired. They can also arrange with your client to visit the home, for no additional charge.

The network is already in place and a NACHI.TV episode has been filmed to help explain the program. We're predicting a launch date of early March.

This program reduces liability for imembrers while providing added value for their clients, all at no charge.

InterNACHI... always helping.

Guys,

I think Joe F. stated it best. I as long as I own a home inspection biz, I will never call in a crack to someone who's probably on crack?

I will document the crack(s) in the inspection report, use my brain and better judgment, and make recommendations accordingly. One recommendation, which is rarely used in our area, a structural engineer.

I'm not sure where this is going, along with 80% of these strange other useless products/benefits being thrown out there lately.... With that said, it also means I do not have to partake in the nonsense right?

I also know that things are really, really bad out there in my area right now. I talk with about 20 or so inspectors all over Georgia and other states (who never visit this message board, as only about 200 ever do) and I can say things are going to get so ugly that this business as we know it will never be the same. Matter of fact the game has already changed. Time to lick my wounds and regroup.