Non Member Moderation

[Nick Gromicko]

If ESOP tells me to wack her, I'll push the delete button myself. Until then, she is a member.

[Billy Boerner]

Jim,

Being that Ruth is direct competition with me I'm going to give you my spin.

A. I could care less if she is a realtor.
B. I could care less if she advertises the NACHI logo on her site as long as atleast one of her inspectors completes all the requirements set forth on all of us. This person would be the one listed on the inspector directory under her company name. If you look closely at her site she states "ALL" her inspectors are members of NACHI.

Is that true NICK?

C. This is what I see when I look up my area...

Ruth Haen
Metro Home Inspections, LC
» Ruth Haen is only about 14.57 miles away from St. Louis, MO.
Website: www.metrohomeinspections.com
E-Mail: Send Ruth Haen an E-Mail
Phone: View Ruth Haen's Phone Number
Phone: (636) 305-9929

D. Nick, this needs addressed. Ruth is not a home inspector. She's plain and simple a business owner and has no experience as a home inspector according to the rules set forth by this organization. If she hasn't passed the test or did all the other requirements she cannot be called a certified home inspector. Please list the name of the inspector who has passed all the requirements above "her" company name. Jim has a point NACHI is misleading the public stating this woman indeed is a certified home inspector.

Member's should be divided into categories. Just because you join does not make you a certified home inspector and that's exactly what it looks like when you publish her name under the find a home inspector directory.

Now as for being licensed. IMO she is using the term to make potiential clients think she's different than all the rest. If you read her site you will see she states that NACHI has issued her this license and has licensed all her inspectors. Again Nick this needs addressed. NACHI does not issue a license and neither does the state of MO.


We at Metro Home Inspections are experienced seasoned professionals who have examined thousands of homes for prospective buyers since 1977. Licensed by ASHI (American Society of Home Inspectors) and NACHI (National Associate of Certified Home Inspectors) all of our inspectors have backgrounds in building or architecture, many with degrees from leading universities. Specializing in residential and commercial properties.

[dbucknavich]

Originally Posted by gromicko

No. ESOP didn't delete them as members. Staff did. Although ESOP can expel members if they so decide to.

My membership was going to be over in a month anyway so I'm not overly upset about it. But c'mon nick, own up to the fact that YOU deleted me, in the middle of a debate. Call it staff or whatever you want, but at the beginning of that thread I was a member, and sometime in the middle, I wasn't anymore. Last year, prolab didn't call me until after my expiration date to see if I was renewing. And as Brain Kelly pointed out, there is leniency for other people, so let's just call it convenient auto-deletionism.

I appreciate other people saying Will and I were unjustifiably removed and deserve to be reinstated. However, due to a lack of credibility with certain affiliations, I made a choice a month or so ago to remove any links to this org from my website and business, and that I would also allow my membership to expire. The last thread with nick was just another vague deal being questioned (and not answered), and myself on my way out with nothing to lose, letting the founder of the org know just how upset I was with the way things have gone down in the past, and how things look to be going in the future.

At the very least, our expulsions were a benefit as they seem to have shed some light on how things work.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by ekartal

Nick,

The point I believe Jim is trying to make is there are plenty of expired memberships that are still listed in the Featured Inspectors link. If operation deadwood were performed the way it should be, I do not believe you would have 6,000 active members.

Now that's the epitome of "SPINNING".........having the computers set up to help back Nick's claims. Where is the "Truth" in this organization???


SPIN!!! SPIN!!! SPIN!!!
THE DOCTOR IS "IN"

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by jbushart

For the record.....anyone who "is the owner of a large inspection company" (Ruth has three inspectors, BTW)....can be presented to the inquiring public by NACHI as a "certified home inspector" without taking any steps other than sending in a check for $289.

That is what you are saying....and that is okay with you?

And...when a realtor does it....and goes back to the other realtors and confirms to them that what ASHI Presidents have told them is true regarding the simple and non-accountable way in which NACHI "certifies" its members.....that is okay with you, too?

Two former local NACHI members have told me that they were listed as a FULLY "certified" HI the morning after they passed the test and sent their payment online. They hadn't completed any of the other requirements (which no one verifies anyways!!!) but got a full listing along side 5,10,15+ year HI veterans. Way to go, icky!!!

Nick, want to talk about which association's newly minted, fully "certified" HI's are the more dangerous and might kill people??

BRING OUT THE TRUTH!!

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by dbucknavich

My membership was going to be over in a month anyway so I'm not overly upset about it. But c'mon nick, own up to the fact that YOU deleted me, in the middle of a debate. Call it staff or whatever you want, but at the beginning of that thread I was a member, and sometime in the middle, I wasn't anymore. Last year, prolab didn't call me until after my expiration date to see if I was renewing. And as Brain Kelly pointed out, there is leniency for other people, so let's just call it convenient auto-deletionism.

I appreciate other people saying Will and I were unjustifiably removed and deserve to be reinstated. However, due to a lack of credibility with certain affiliations, I made a choice a month or so ago to remove any links to this org from my website and business, and that I would also allow my membership to expire. The last thread with nick was just another vague deal being questioned (and not answered), and myself on my way out with nothing to lose, letting the founder of the org know just how upset I was with the way things have gone down in the past, and how things look to be going in the future.

At the very least, our expulsions were a benefit as they seem to have shed some light on how things work.

Yepp!! The leader controls all from the homeland bunker.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

She insists that they spend no more than an hour on site. Bill Aichhorn (former NACHI member employee of Ruth's who joined ASHI as soon as he was eligible) told me she chastised him and threatened to fire him when could not get his inspections under 90 minutes.

They are not allowed to take photos, leave the checklist at the time of inspection, and move on.


Tell us about the one who is "especially excellent".

And these are now "proud" ASHI members?

So you think they are serving the public well with their 1 hr quickie inspections?

No wonder it's difficult to get home inspection prices up with this type of inspector and business owner attitude out there.

Jim, If you think NACHI has problems, it's evident from your post
that ASHI has many more.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by Pia Pium

I know for a fact that there are Nachi members listed which are not members because they did not renew or quit, or were removed. Strangely their names remained on the membership listing. Repeated request by these members to be removed from the list fell on deaf ears. Only when several wrote letters to M. Cohen, did the names finally come off the membership list.

On the other hand the ESOP is able to remove immediately and at will members it feels are a threat to their existance and the inner circle.

Nachi should:

1. Clean up the membership list.
2. Get rid of the green/red box rating system.
3. Get rid of the incumbent ESOP and put in place policies and bylaws, and solicit new volunteers to staff the ESOP.
4. Enforce the rules. It is very clear that some have special privileges, while others do not.
5. The ESOP has no decorum or understanding of how to conduct itself. There are no hearings or right to appeal. Its a joke. What is even more disconcerting is the fact most members haven't got a clue how the system is suppose to work. I suggest if you need a template you look to ASHI as to how discipline is meeted out.
6. The falsity that it only requires 30 seconds to join ASHI is an absurdity, its just not true and sadly most Nachi members don't know it takes longer than 30 seconds because they got their Nachi membership simply by taking an online test and submitting $289 or given their membership gratis. Ditto CMI!

The fact that JB who was so ingrained in the Nachi attitude and actions and who has now has had apiphany is a wake up call to all.

It now appears that many members are beginning to wake up, and want "clean" change, not more lip service, and not more underhanded actions at the hands of special conflicting actions.

WOW!!! That's a lot to think about. I don't know if my HI brain can handle all that this week!

[Joe Farsetta]

Ray,

How's the snow up in Calderon?

Tell us; have you gotten over being justifiably THROWN OUT of this org yet?

I cannot speak to why Dylan or Will may have been removed, as no complaints were filed against them with ESOP.

I CAN speak to your removal, however... which was caused by you, and is perpetuated by you.

You can send me all the PMs and red boxes you like. I accept them like a badge of honor.

How sad for you. How very sad.

Folks in control of this org may make good decisions and bad decisions. That is true of any org.

BUT... the decision to throw your worthless ***** out has to be the single GREATEST decision ever reached, by any aspect of this org, in its entire history.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

And these are now "proud" ASHI members?

So you think they are serving the public well with their 1 hr quickie inspections?

No wonder it's difficult to get home inspection prices up with this type of inspector and business owner attitude out there.

Jim, If you think NACHI has problems, it's evident from your post
that ASHI has many more.

Yup....these ASHI members are sacrificing their integrity and reputations to feed the greed of their NACHI boss.

Sounds kind of familiar, in a way....

[James H. Bushart]

As to the plans of censoring the dissension at InterNACHI....the topic of this thread....here are my plans.

I am starting a blog that will link to revealing NACHI threads. Members and non-members who wish to comment on them will be allowed to post their thoughts regarding NACHI to that blog...which will be open to the public-at-large.

Links will be provided to state legislators, real estate brokers, and others who might want to know....directly from the horse's mouth....why Nick feels that he need not validate that membership requirements are met by everyone who pays a check before being presented to the public as being a "certified home inspector".

If you don't want to keep it in house where it can be handled immediately and locally....then it will go through the entire professional community on its way to you....for you to respond after others have been informed and have had the opportunity to form opinions.

In either case....the truth will not be silenced.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Yup....these ASHI members are sacrificing their integrity and reputations to feed the greed of their NACHI boss.

Sounds kind of familiar, in a way....

And now that you are a member of the same org as they, what are you doing to about it?

Sounds like an ASHI certification has little meaning when their org passively permits it's certified members to claim they can complete a home inspection according to their SOP in an hour or less including the report.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

As to the plans of censoring the dissension at InterNACHI....the topic of this thread....here are my plans.

Jim, I sincerely with you would not make things up. Where have you seen this proposed or even contemplated except in you own imaginings?

I am starting a blog that will link to revealing NACHI threads. Members and non-members who wish to comment on them will be allowed to post their thoughts regarding NACHI to that blog...which will be open to the public-at-large.

Good for you

Links will be provided to state legislators, real estate brokers, and others who might want to know....directly from the horse's mouth....why Nick feels that he need not validate that membership requirements are met by everyone who pays a check before being presented to the public as being a "certified home inspector".

You now sound like dharris. Does that make you happy?

If you don't want to keep it in house where it can be handled immediately and locally....then it will go through the entire professional community on its way to you....for you to respond after others have been informed and have had the opportunity to form opinions.

I'm sure Raymond will enjoy your new blog. You are welcome to him. Thanks.

In either case....the truth will not be silenced.

As Pontius Pilate once said.

What is truth?

I finally agree with Frank M. you need a break from the Message board.

I wish you well in your efforts to stop licensing. Take care my friend.

[Peter C. Russell]

Originally Posted by jbushart

As to the plans of censoring the dissension at InterNACHI....the topic of this thread....here are my plans.

I am starting a blog that will link to revealing NACHI threads. Members and non-members who wish to comment on them will be allowed to post their thoughts regarding NACHI to that blog...which will be open to the public-at-large.

Links will be provided to state legislators, real estate brokers, and others who might want to know....directly from the horse's mouth....why Nick feels that he need not validate that membership requirements are met by everyone who pays a check before being presented to the public as being a "certified home inspector".

If you don't want to keep it in house where it can be handled immediately and locally....then it will go through the entire professional community on its way to you....for you to respond after others have been informed and have had the opportunity to form opinions.

In either case....the truth will not be silenced.

Thanks a lot Jim. That's really going to help many of us who are struggling right now. Your a real stand up guy!!!

[dharris]

Originally Posted by jbushart

As to the plans of censoring the dissension at InterNACHI....the topic of this thread....here are my plans.

I am starting a blog that will link to revealing NACHI threads. Members and non-members who wish to comment on them will be allowed to post their thoughts regarding NACHI to that blog...which will be open to the public-at-large.

Links will be provided to state legislators, real estate brokers, and others who might want to know....directly from the horse's mouth....why Nick feels that he need not validate that membership requirements are met by everyone who pays a check before being presented to the public as being a "certified home inspector".

If you don't want to keep it in house where it can be handled immediately and locally....then it will go through the entire professional community on its way to you....for you to respond after others have been informed and have had the opportunity to form opinions.

In either case....the truth will not be silenced.

Ahh heck.. No need to do a lot of extra work, just post all the archives you saved from nonachi.blogspot from a few years ago.