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Old 10/29/09, 8:31 PM
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....why ASHI leaders, in spite of the wishes of many of its members, have been pushing licensing bills.

Follow the money...

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The ASHI School Launches The Ultimate in Home Inspection Education

October 29, 2009
Dear ASHI Members,

"The ASHI School" is the official name of the joint venture between ASHI Education Inc. and the education powerhouse of Casey, O'Malley & Associates. Based on the premise that home inspectors learn best by doing, The ASHI School is scheduling pre-licensing/business start-up home inspection classes nationwide beginning in November and continuing on a regular basis thereafter.

This comes at a time when the profession's education philosophies are in need of re-engineering - what happened to real live on-site training? The answer is now here: The ASHI School.

ASHI Education Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the American Society of Home Inspectors ("ASHI"), with a mandate to offer a full range of high-quality education programs to anyone affiliated with, or interested in, the home inspection and related professions. The ASHI School is the first program offered under ASHI Education Inc.

The ASHI School features live educational classes that include more time on real field inspections than any other school in the nation. Courses focus on starting and operating your own successful inspection career and business, as well as performing inspections in compliance with the ASHI Standards of Practice and Code of Ethics.

The courses are designed as an intelligent blend of pre-class study materials, live classroom lecture and actual in-field inspection training. Nearly half of the course hours are spent learning by doing real inspections.

And, this is just the beginning. Currently in the planning stages, The ASHI School will make turnkey education sessions available to ASHI chapters, and offer a special program for non-ASHI members who take the full 10-day courses or attend the upcoming InspectionWorld Las Vegas pre-conference New Inspector Career Day.

Casey, O'Malley Associates bring to the joint venture two of the nation's most well-known figures in the industry, Michael Casey and Kevin O'Malley. Their team of experienced and dynamic instructors will be conducting the courses. Learn more about Michael Casey and Kevin O'Malley.


Class locations and dates can be found at www.theashischool.com. For additional information or to book your seat in the next class, contact:
Barton Robertson, Managing Associate, Casey, O'Malley Associates
● Phone: 866-363-1330 Ext 1
● Email: Barton@TheASHISchool.com


ASHI and Casey, O'Malley Associates are committed to excellence in the inspection profession

Licensing bills meeting the ASHI model all have something in common....they require the ASHI test at $125 to 200 a pop, and 120 to 180 hours of education at an ASHI school. Wanna bet that Kansas, who has already rejected the excellent courses provided by NACHI, will accept this school without blinking an eye?



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Old 10/29/09, 8:40 PM
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Should we expect a CAHPI school to open soon in British Columbia?
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Old 10/29/09, 8:46 PM
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I guess there must be a shortage of home inspectors again.

Preying on the out of work more likely.



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Old 10/30/09, 12:40 AM
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I guess there must be a shortage of home inspectors again.

Preying on the out of work more likely.
Exactly



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Old 10/30/09, 2:57 AM
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I guess there must be a shortage of home inspectors again.

Preying on the out of work more likely.
Hi Mike,

I had a couple folks call me within the last few weeks asking how business was, they said the unemployment office suggested they get into the Home Inspection Business, even though we have went from 1600 licensed inspectors a couple years ago to about 600 now. I guess the state has money available if they want to attend Inspection School here.

Yep, those are great figures to be sending unemployed assembly line workers out to Home Inspection School at the cost to tax payers to flip the bill.

Incredible.....
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Old 10/30/09, 5:52 AM
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Hi Mike,

I had a couple folks call me within the last few weeks asking how business was, they said the unemployment office suggested they get into the Home Inspection Business, even though we have went from 1600 licensed inspectors a couple years ago to about 600 now. I guess the state has money available if they want to attend Inspection School here.

Yep, those are great figures to be sending unemployed assembly line workers out to Home Inspection School at the cost to tax payers to flip the bill.

Incredible.....
Dale, I've had two calls in the last wo months, same thing. Unbelievable!
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Old 10/30/09, 7:46 AM
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Dale, I've had two calls in the last wo months, same thing. Unbelievable!

I've had several inquiries....
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Old 10/30/09, 12:11 PM
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Me too.
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Old 10/30/09, 1:04 PM
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It is amazing to me how some people try to educate others, when they have no education themselves. I wonder how many inspections they have atually performed so far this year. Being a member of countless lawyer asscoications does not make you a good lawyer. Being a member of dozens of agencies and many designations does not make you a good inspector. They must have been sued sometime, got out of doing inspections, and started "teaching". Anything to make a buck. Society today is fake in many ways. Newbies will have to learn it on their own.
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Old 10/30/09, 1:14 PM
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It is amazing to me how some people try to educate others, when they have no education themselves. I wonder how many inspections they have atually performed so far this year. Being a member of countless lawyer asscoications does not make you a good lawyer. Being a member of dozens of agencies and many designations does not make you a good inspector. They must have been sued sometime, got out of doing inspections, and started "teaching". Anything to make a buck. Society today is fake in many ways. Newbies will have to learn it on their own.
More than that....is the fact that the State of Kansas was lobbied to require classroom education for home inspectors to learn how to inspect, but the state itself does not have any minimum basic standards required of its builders or contractors. Without being able to teach the inspector what is "acceptable", how can they really teach what is a "defect'? Has anyone brought this up during an open meeting where the special interest/conflicted interest laden HI Board has met?

Without a standard of what is uniformly "acceptable" throughout the state, how can the state implement an SOP?



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Old 10/30/09, 3:54 PM
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Why teach things that have nothing to do with the Kansas SOP's? Yes, Kansas will have their own. They should, then, write their own tests, and get the Kansas Board of Regents involved. The board of regents is in charge of ALL educational requirements in Kansas. If home inspectors take tests, then the home builders, roofers, engineers, all should also. Oh, I guess that will cause a lawsuit. That will just add money to the pockets of the attorney on the board in Kansas, and another reason why insurance is required.

James, the lawmakers, attorneys, and board members are just plain stupid. They only are concerned about themselves and their "buddies"; not the Kansas consumer.
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Old 11/1/09, 7:48 PM
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Old home inspectors don't die, they just become instructors.

Around here, there is one guy (ASHI and NAHI affiliated) who was also on the state HI board, who no longer inspects, but teaches. His courses are real sleepers (I have attended a couple, but never learned anything I didn't already learn in my pre-licensing course (not ASHI, through a local community college. Much less expensive and more intensive.).

But, I have seen some of this guy's inspections and reports, and they are real c*ap. He is, put simply, a bad inspector. Yet, he teaches.

Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, teach Gym.
And those who can't teach Gym, teach home inspectors.

Just my opinion.



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Old 11/1/09, 7:55 PM
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Will, the characterization is unfair and innacurate.

Those who cant, teach. What a load of crap.

I am a damned good inspector, and I both write and teach classes. My courses and teaching style are regarded as very good. Some who are mediocre inspectors are excellent teachers, while some excellent inspectors couldnt teach if their lives depended on it. I consider myself to be excellent in both my inspection abilities as well as my command if the language, writing style, and delivery methods.

Teaching is more of an art, than a science. But to lump every inspector/instructor into a common category is bogus.
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Old 11/1/09, 8:04 PM
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Will, the characterization is unfair and innacurate.

Those who cant, teach. What a load of crap.

I am a damned good inspector, and I both write and teach classes. My courses and teaching style are regarded as very good. Some who are mediocre inspectors are excellent teachers, while some excellent inspectors couldnt teach if their lives depended on it. I consider myself to be excellent in both my inspection abilities as well as my command if the language, writing style, and delivery methods.

Teaching is more of an art, than a science. But to lump every inspector/instructor into a common category is bogus.
Joe, I stand humbly corrected. I am sorry that I did not qualify my post. I was referring, only, to this guy. There are many inspectors (myself included) who also teach CE courses.

I was referring, only, to this guy and the group he works with. There are some inspectors (ASHI affiliated) in this area who are outstanding teachers (Chuck Belefontaine, who used to ne ASHI National VP, who along with Corey Freeman, own the Bellman Group, which is a NACHI approved Pre-Licensing and CE education company).

But, and I think you would agree, there alre always bottom feeders.

This guy teaches and hold classes wher alcohol is served (liberaly) and where the test is a freakin' joke. A lot of old timers attend, believing (so they tell me) that it is just so thay can get their required CE credits.

I believe that CE courses should be challanging and hard. I have had a number of CE classes that I have taught where a couple of people have not passed the exam. But I do not see that as my failing, as a teacher, but as their failing in not staying awake or in not being properly qualified.

In any case, please accept my apology. If you want, I will delete my previous post.

Hope this helps;



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Old 11/1/09, 9:33 PM
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Apology accepted, Big Man.

No need to delete. I should have realized that something was missing from your post, as I recall that you, yourself, also teach.

Thanks again, Will
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