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[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Actually, a couple of the most regulated towns were in Washington!!! In one, if your wood stove wasn't EPA certified, you were grandfathered along but when you sold your house, the wood stove had to be removed and destroyed. And the other actually had "smoke cops" that could force you to shut down your wood burning if it was creating a lot of smoke!!!

Maybe we should have this type of regulation here! in Canada.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

He got 70%.......apparently not enough to pass but showed him how weak the online certification really is!!!!! WEB FICTION he called it!!!

Can you please tell me who or what was weak Brian? Sorry I'm just a little confused

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

Can you please tell me who or what was weak Brian? Sorry I'm just a little confused

He figured if he could make 70% on the HI test with his limited knowledge, it must not be a very credible designation!!!

[Nick Gromicko]

You will notice the first post in this thread... We acquired proof of his disdain for InterNACHI from numerous sources and a google search will demonstrate that he is a member of a known no-entrance-requirement diploma mill association. The combination of the two makes him a poor choice to sit on any type of licensing board in our opinion. Besides, he drew first blood... not us.

We actually believe it will be difficult, under Section 10, C, 5 of the law for ASHI to get approved at all in Kansas, what with their 30 second, come-with-a-credit-card-and-shazam! application process.

[Nick Gromicko]

Brian, http://exams.nachi.org/oe/stats.php (takes a few moments to compile as they are live stats).

Also Brian, your posts indicate that you don't understand InterNACHI's superior exam scoring. Our scoring system is much more advanced than existing home inspector exams to the benefit of public safety. Each item is validated to determine the relative importance on assessing the exam takers knowledge and skill, as is each answer to each question. Then each is weighted accordingly. Not only are the questions in the exam weighted, the answers are as well in the sense that an exam taker is punished severely (in terms of score) for incorrectly answering questions that indicate that he/she could cause physical harm to the public, but not greatly rewarded (in terms of score) for correctly answering such questions. This same scoring is used for questions that test minimum competency. Likewise, difficult questions (questions that lie outside or nearly outside the scope of a home inspection) are weighted such that the exam taker is not severely punished for answering incorrectly. Other existing home inspector exam's questions and answers are all weighted the same in terms of scoring, or at least their weight is not based on correctness.

This is why we include what you might call "really easy questions that every inspector should know the answer to" questions. The exam taker doesn't get any extra points for answering it correctly but is punished severely for answering incorrectly.

This is why our exam seems easy, but like in the real life example you, yourself gave... is difficult to actually pass.

http://exams.nachi.org/oe/stats.php supports your example as well.

[Nick Gromicko]

Anyway... a state relying on one, lone, MINIMUM standard exam for licensing is pretty bad, but a professional trade association using only one MINIMUM standard (the "everyone passes" one used by some states) exam (only required for full membership) is wack. Hence www.nachi.org/rigorous2006.htm

Can you imagine a trade association that has zero entrance requirements and only requires its full members to pass an exam so easy to pass that states actually use it as their MINIMUM competancy exam? Unbelievable!

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by Steven C. Meyer

To come to NACHI for just "certification", (many do, it's much easier) a person must as dumb as a rock.

Here's from a Canadian NACHI member E-mail to myself:
"I'm in agreement about qualifications. IMO HI's should be formally trained
regardless of past experience.
As far as being a "Certified Home Inspector" you are an intelligent
man........if you don't have the knowledge to back it up than it's a useless
designation.

By the way, I would have joined CAHPI but I would have been classified as a
candidate. Brian how many Home Inspections do you think I would have booked with that designation?"


NACHI serves more as a resource for further education through its classes AND its message board.

Certification doesn't mean squat, unless you are willing to continue to learn, be it an organization or government licensing lrequirements.

And then, I would assume, you feel the same would hold true for ASHI and NAHI?

One and a half to two years to be certified, sounds more like a union to me!

Took me 4 years to get through college. (Sounds more like a union to me! I can get a degree online pretty easy!) Gotta pay your dues if you want to succeed.

I would venture, the majority of inspectors have time in the trades, however to "require" it for schooling seems discriminating. (So what does a plumber know about electrical??) A good school should be able to provide the training necessary for the beginner. If they can't,they should not be in business. Kinda like having a medical student being a "doctor" in order to apply to med. school.
HUH??? Don't think so! Not a doctor but some pre-training with very good marks!! A medical student must have 3 or 4 years of university before medical school.
You mean they don't need this pre-medical training in your area??? Sheez! don't want to use your doctors who don't have the basics before medical school!!

If that be the case, then I would suspose your opinion is that Canadian inspectors are better trained than their US counterparts?

Don't suppose anything!! There are a few great inspectors on these boards. And you'll be sorry to hear I get most of my support from them.

All I know is that I've seen some reports (calls from their clients) from NACHI newbies here and THEY LACK!! Wish I could put you in touch with a few realtors and their experiences with them!!! Put this out to Nick a month or so ago.......but NO RESPONSE!!!! The truth hurts, I guess...... gotta spend time to keep the newbie members coming in to replace the 90%er's leaving!!! Never hear anything about turnover rates here....why not???

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Brian, http://exams.nachi.org/oe/stats.php (takes a few moments to compile as they are live stats).

Also Brian, your posts indicate that you don't understand InterNACHI's superior exam scoring. Our scoring system is much more advanced than existing home inspector exams to the benefit of public safety. Each item is validated to determine the relative importance on assessing the exam takers knowledge and skill, as is each answer to each question. Then each is weighted accordingly. Not only are the questions in the exam weighted, the answers are as well in the sense that an exam taker is punished severely (in terms of score) for incorrectly answering questions that indicate that he/she could cause physical harm to the public, but not greatly rewarded (in terms of score) for correctly answering such questions. This same scoring is used for questions that test minimum competency. Likewise, difficult questions (questions that lie outside or nearly outside the scope of a home inspection) are weighted such that the exam taker is not severely punished for answering incorrectly. Other existing home inspector exam's questions and answers are all weighted the same in terms of scoring, or at least their weight is not based on correctness.

This is why we include what you might call "really easy questions that every inspector should know the answer to" questions. The exam taker doesn't get any extra points for answering it correctly but is punished severely for answering incorrectly.

This is why our exam seems easy, but like in the real life example you, yourself gave... is difficult to actually pass.


http://exams.nachi.org/oe/stats.php supports your example as well.

So if this young person with limited housing experience gets a 70% on first try, you mean he's going to have to take weeks of training to get the next 10% because you made it so hard??

Spinning it again, Nick!!!

[Joe Farsetta]

Brian,

So nice to see you sucking that tailpipe again. I was beginning to worry about you. Glad to see your still posting the anti-NACHI drivel.

Hey Steven... (ahem, Ray?), if you're going to pretend to be someone you're not, at least be clever enough to dream up another truly bogus name and try and not use similar nonsensical verbiage from previous posts.

[relliott]

What difference does this certification talk make?

I have never been asked what Association I belong to, by client or Agent.

I belong to NACHI because it is the best... period.

I could care less if some idiots at another association knock it.They sure do spend alot of time fixated on us though.

I have learned much from the fellowship of the other members here , where there is life and sharing.

The guys pushing other places come here to post , just so they can escape the Dead Zone of where they pay dues.

I feel sorry for them.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Here's from a Canadian NACHI member E-mail to myself:
"I'm in agreement about qualifications. IMO HI's should be formally trained
regardless of past experience.
As far as being a "Certified Home Inspector" you are an intelligent
man........if you don't have the knowledge to back it up than it's a useless
designation.

By the way, I would have joined CAHPI but I would have been classified as a
candidate. Brian how many Home Inspections do you think I would have booked with that designation?"

To all,

Brian was dying to post this e-mail from me, YES from me.[ BTW He is the reason that I refuse to reply to non-members via e-mail ] He seems to think that there is something derogatory/negative about NACHI in this e-mail. In his mind he thought that I would somehow have been embarrassed with this e-mail,..NOT. He has threatened to post it on several occasions. He posted this e-mail without using my name, and that's fine. Brian you don't know me, I stand behind everything I say, I don't hide behind my little finger! [Greek saying]
The truth is that I stand behind what I e-mailed Brian and if you read it carefully word for word an intelligent person can decide for themselves if this e-mail is slamming NACHI in any way. BTW The people closest to me know that I would never slam NACHI...EVER. I owe everything to Nick and NACHI.

Allow me to clarify, and I'm sure that Nick and others will agree with me. NACHI will certify inspectors if all the membership requirements are met, [BTW NACHI has two types of memberships, "FULL MEMBER" and "WORKING MEMBER"] that doesn't mean that one has to stop learning or get formal training in this industry. IMO The smart/successful inspectors exceed the Continuing ED requirements of NACHI, ASHI AND OAHI.
I have been in the construction industry for 32+ years, I have exceeded all the entrance requirements of OAHI to be an associate member. I personally know of two inspectors that have been associate members of OAHI for 4+ years, waiting for their RHI designation. I'm sorry Brian, I'm retiring in a few years, I don't have the need for the RHI, NCP designation that bad. If we ever meet in person remind me to tell you of a re-inspection I did for clients that thought they were getting the best when they hired an RHI for a Home Inspection. Maybe not, you can't be trusted with this type of information.

Brian,here is a "SHORT" list of the entrance requirements for NACHI. WHEN YOU GET A MINUTE FROM YOUR BUSY SCHEDULE PLEASE POST THE ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR ASHI or CAPHI.

Thanking you in advance



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[Nick Gromicko]

Brian, again... your comments demonstrate that you don't understand much about exam building.

The goal is not to make an exam "hard." If we wanted to make any exam harder (or easier for that matter) we very well could. One of the main 2 goals of an exam is to ACCURATELY determine competence. Actually... making an exam too hard is just as bad as making it too easy.

Often we will hear someone in the industry complain that "the questions should have been more difficult to answer" on this or that exam. On the surface it may appear that an exam is improved to the benefit of the consumer if the questions are made to be more difficult. Let us dispel this myth now.

Read: www.nachi.org/examsthatharm.htm

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

He figured if he could make 70% on the HI test with his limited knowledge, it must not be a very credible designation!!!

Brian,

Please forgive me, anyone that knows me will tell you that I'm slow and dyslexic, please explain your statement only this time just a little slower.

The test is multiple choice brother, I believe the correct answer is from a list of four possible answers. For any given question the test taker has a 25% probability of answering the correct answer. If the "Guess" factor is eliminated, I believe your friend would have received a total score that would be somewhere in the 50-55% range. Now that's impressive!!!
Tell your friend to take some courses on Building Science, Electrical and HVAC and give the test another shot.

[Joe Farsetta]

I'm in agreement about qualifications. IMO HI's should be formally trained regardless of past experience.

... and the problem is???

As far as being a "Certified Home Inspector" you are an intelligent
man........if you don't have the knowledge to back it up than it's a useless
designation.

I agree. Nothing wrong here. Nothing derrogatory to NACHI.

By the way, I would have joined CAHPI but I would have been classified as a
candidate. Brian how many Home Inspections do you think I would have booked with that designation?

This seems like a business decision, and little more.

Nice try, Brian. You gave it a shot, I guess. Next time, post something MEANINGFUL.

[Steven C. Meyer]

THIS IS STEVEN C. MEYER.

THIS POST UNDER THE NAME STEVEN MEYER IS A FRAUD. NOTE IT IS A NEW MEMBER.

I CAN SUSPECT WHO IT IS, AND WILL DO WHAT I CAN TO FIND OUT WHO POSTED IT.

MARIO? GOT A GOOD ATTORNEY UP THERE, I MAY WANT TO CONSULT HIM!!!!????

AGAIN, THAT IS NOT MY POSTING, CAN SOMEONE CHECK TH IP ADDRESS?

Originally Posted by Steven Meyer

Isn't that blackmail demanding he not seek a board seat? Mr. Barnes may be innocent of what you allege, after all its your written word here only, no proof other than what you say. I think Mr. Barnes could easily muster enough witnesses to bend the courts ears to show how Nachi is negligent itself and particularly the falsities you have engaged in Nick, after all you are the master at pathological lying.