Scumbag NAHI hits new low at ASTM meeting yesterd

[cmccann]

I must be an idiot, but I have no idea what this has to do with anything. I'm sure I'm no the only one, but maybe the only to post this. I'm totally lost...... Does anyone have a non bias position? And WTF is the position about what?

[ekartal6]

Sounds like someone at NAHI did something nasty to an ATM.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by cmccann

I must be an idiot, but I have no idea what this has to do with anything. I'm sure I'm no the only one, but maybe the only to post this. I'm totally lost...... Does anyone have a non bias position? And WTF is the position about what?

Buddy


Go back to drinking your beer, this doesn't concern you!!! Oh yea you are an idiot.

[rwand1]

Mario

I don't think he can spell idiot.

[cmccann]

Funny, none of you can explain whats going on. Except for Erol. So who's the idiot?

Mario, thats just like a canadian...anytime anywhere. Big talk on a computer, seems to be a passing hobby for canadians.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by cmccann

Funny, none of you can explain whats going on. Except for Erol. So who's the idiot?

Mario, thats just like a canadian...anytime anywhere. Big talk on a computer, seems to be a passing hobby for canadians.

Go back to your bottle,and don't deny it you are wasted. I'm even bigger in real life!!
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[rwand1]

hick cup....Chuck be sure to put the cork in the bottle you don't want to spill any when you stumble...

[cmccann]

So Ray and Mario...What does the ASTM stuff mean to you? Can you guys answer that without the BS?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by cmccann

So Ray and Mario...What does the ASTM stuff mean to you? Can you guys answer that without the BS?

To me, it means having people outside of the home inspection industry deciding our standard inspection procedure. Then, in turn, selling it to others outside of our industry (politicians, real estate salesmen, etc.) as an "objective" standard with which to mandate our compliance.

It's stupid, Chuck. What are you thinking?

[cmccann]

Thanks Jim, I'm sure the dumb azzes up north are thanking you for bailing them out, but whats new.

I'm just not clear on how they can sell standards to states or associations when they already have standards in place, and just what is so bad about those standards. Is this a vender problem or is this a association problem?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by cmccann

Thanks Jim, I'm sure the dumb azzes up north are thanking you for bailing them out, but whats new.

I'm just not clear on how they can sell standards to states or associations when they already have standards in place, and just what is so bad about those standards. Is this a vender problem or is this a association problem?

Right now in New Hampshire, for example, NACHI is pushing a bill and ASHI is pushing a bill. Both sides are trying to convince the legislature that their SOP is the right one to use.

Imagine the appeal to the politician...always in search of the compromise...who hears that there is a third option that carries no association bias. What do you think will happen?

[Richard L. Bennett]

I see a real big problem

My client has needs that he states -- I can address those needs or walk

To have an ASTM controlling our relationship is wrong. Esp if the client needs some service and I can not address it if controlled by state, ASTM, etc

And if I work only my or my org standards the client can walk

--- You will not go on the roof -- I am sorry I can not use your services

rlb

[cmccann]

Jim,

What's wrong with non association bias? I thought that was a NACHI drumb beat all along? Please, I'm not for or against any of this because I don't have the facts, I only see a bunch a chest pounding with no real facts! Am I wrong?

I've only read a NACHI VP and vender, a NACHI founder, a NACHI ethics chair (JOE, who seemed as confused as me) be pissed off about this.

I'm really not trying to a be dick, only trying to understand how this could possibly effect us inspectors. What's the difference if we pay NACHI, ASHI...ect for SOPS?

To me it looks like the associations are in a panic...Maybe I'm wrong.

[cmccann]

Richard,

Sorry but I can't understand your post

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by cmccann

Jim,

What's wrong with non association bias?

Nothing. That is not the issue.

First, read the ATSM commercial standards written by people who are obviously not in the business. I will summarize them by saying that you can inspect 25 identical buildings with identical conditions for 25 different people and have 25 totally different reports. There is no standard.

Now, let the builders and real estate salespeople and whoever else help them come up with a compromised home inspection standard that you will have to pay for to use...and make it mandated by some goofy state licensing law...and you will have your inspection procedure, standards and your own ability to conduct your business in the hands of people outside of the profession.

ASTM has recognized a need for state legislatures considering licensing laws for a politically acceptable alternative to existing association SOPs. It is a means of making money for them as well as gaining leverage in a new industry. We already have legislatures vying for control over our businesses. Now this.

What's next? Where do we draw the line? If not here...where?