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Old 10/21/07, 11:19 PM
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I have come across reports that have a summary page and I have heard that it is required in some states. I recently had a request from a Realtor if I can include a summary page in my reports. Since this information is already included in the report and finding it it each page is easy to do, I cannot see a reason for it. So I come to you to see if there is a good reason to include a summary page on which I cannot think of?

I have never included a summary page and eliminated the "Major Defect Page" that gave our professional opinion on what items are considered a "Major Defect" in a standard contract that the buyer and seller signed from their Realtors.

Just looking for some input why you think a summary page is important.

Always trying to keep an open mind.
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Old 10/22/07, 12:45 AM
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The Summary page is sometimes a tool in the hands of a Realtor that is
used to bypass the problems of all the details. IMHO. I do not use one
and do so in order to get the Client to read the entire report.

I do not solict or work for Realtors.



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Old 10/22/07, 1:24 AM
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I have come across reports that have a summary page and I have heard that it is required in some states. I recently had a request from a Realtor if I can include a summary page in my reports. Since this information is already included in the report and finding it it each page is easy to do, I cannot see a reason for it. So I come to you to see if there is a good reason to include a summary page on which I cannot think of?

I have never included a summary page and eliminated the "Major Defect Page" that gave our professional opinion on what items are considered a "Major Defect" in a standard contract that the buyer and seller signed from their Realtors.

Just looking for some input why you think a summary page is important.

Always trying to keep an open mind.
I don't use a Summary Page for the same reason John stated.

And the inspector never determines what is a "major defect"--only the client can determine this. What is signifcant to one person may be of no consequence to another. Educate the client completely about the issues and let him/her decide the significance.



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Old 10/22/07, 1:25 AM
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I use a summery page and always have done so.With the reminder x 10 that they must read the whole report.
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Old 10/22/07, 2:20 AM
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a realtor once asked me for a summary pages as well because he said, "we are too busy to have to look through the entire report" Most realtors I know these days have TOO much time on their hands because of the crappy market. Anyway, I know the client will read the entire report but I do rehash the bullets on a summary page as well.
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Old 10/22/07, 8:02 AM
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I also do not use a summary page .
Used too and found many did not read the report.
I agree with Jae and John .

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Old 10/22/07, 8:52 AM
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In my summary page I refer to the page and line for the client to read for more exact detail on what I found so there is no question about my findings. This make them reread my report.



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Old 10/22/07, 9:25 AM
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The summary page is an additional opportunity to market oneself. It will be reviewed more than any other single page or feature of the report - so add your logo and link on it if you provide one.

You cannot make anyone sit and read the entire report, anymore than you can make them eat all their vegetables. Not providing a summary does not guarantee that they will read the entire report, and if properly stated, you are not increasing liability even a little by adding one.

To refuse a direct request from clients and their Realtors for something is to turn a deaf ear to what can help you book more inspections. I think that is kind of cutting your nose off to spite your face, but that's just me....
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Old 10/22/07, 9:53 AM
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I use a summary page. I encourage reading the entire report (in writing on the summary page) but have no control over whether they do or not...it's on them if they don't read the entire report.



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Old 10/22/07, 11:25 AM
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I only provide a summary for the realtor with a recommendation to read the entire report....my summary contains all findings and photos that are in the full report, so at times can be 6 to 12 pages long.....the full report provided to the client contains all the reference material and a list of the components and systems....I use TWI Systems OSDS Uniform Building Inspection Report




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Old 10/22/07, 3:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jmckenna1
The Summary page is sometimes a tool in the hands of a Realtor that is
used to bypass the problems of all the details. IMHO. I do not use one
and do so in order to get the Client to read the entire report.

I do not solict or work for Realtors.
I doubt that 2 in 10 reports are read regardless of how they are written, I provide a summary at the front of my report where most people want it.



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Same here. I include the major and minor discrepancies as well as my recommendations, so everything in the body of the report is once again detailed in the Summary. Do it in a bullet format, double space between items. Typically no more than two pages, sometimes more. So this makes it almost impossible for that phone call where the client says you didn't put so and so in the report. It is in there three times. In the report, in the photo album and on the summary. So if they don't see it, they ain't even trying. The body of the report is usually filled with pretty much BS information anyway. Brand names of items, numbers, ages; all the crap people continue to ask for on the BB that the customer almost never gives a RA about. Sometimes, simple is better. Ive seen some 86 page reports that say nothing, looks real pretty but the customer is left scratching their heads wondering what the hell they just read. Report what you see, cover everything by the book, keep your opinions to a minimum and Germain to the home inspection. No one wants to read how much rainfall took place during the time the trees were growing that produced the lumber for the manufactured trusses in the gable roof on the house that is facing NE.



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The body of the report is usually filled with pretty much BS information anyway. Brand names of items, numbers, ages; all the crap people continue to ask for on the BB that the customer almost never gives a RA about. Sometimes, simple is better.
My sentiments exactly....
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In my summary page I refer to the page and line for the client to read for more exact detail on what I found so there is no question about my findings. This make them reread my report.
I personally don't see why the report has to be redundant. Having one page that reference the pages with information on it might be an option.
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It is in there three times. In the report, in the photo album and on the summary.
Sounds time consuming.
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