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Old 7/5/11, 4:20 PM
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I disagree.
The Feds have expressed direct interest in having InterNACHI inspectors perform Quality Control inspections as neutral third-party energy inspectors based upon InterNACHI's Code of Ethics.
InterNACHI's code of ethics does not apply to ancillary services...such as those you are referencing, here. Why do you keep bringing that into the equation?



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Old 7/5/11, 4:27 PM
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Just what we, and the future home buyers of America need; more government regulation.

A seperate code of ethics should apply, and should be approved for use in the field by these "contractors" who/whom perform energy audits.

Never will happen. As always, apparently all home buyers enjoy these conflicts. Radon testers doing mitigation; termite inspectors doing termite treatments; it wil never end, unless a seperate code of ethics is approved by fed agencies.



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Old 7/5/11, 5:50 PM
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I think it's about leveraging and diversification with ancillary inspections. My inspection business wasn't doing very well in the very beginning. Then we added Rn inspection services built by EPA's federal radon program (training, credentialling, CEs, audits, etc.), which resulted in a huge boost to my inspection business.

InterNACHI home inspectors performing energy inspections seems similar.
Yes sir, I agree. The reason for my post is to defer some of the dissatisfaction that arises from new inspectors perceptions that something that sounds so good, if they build it, they will come.
The important part is "if they build it". You and Nick can do 110% of what's required and still people will fail and look at program as a "failure"!
There is only so much that you can do. The rest is up to us. There are some things, no matter how good they are and you cannot shut down anyone's throat! The old adage that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink…
Among other things, I was starting to get an indication that some people felt that this is just another program conjured up without any substance. I just wanted to point out through my thermal imaging marketing experiences (which is also a primary concern to many that have attended your IR training program, and have their cameras up for sale) that it takes a whole lot more to run and promote a business, no matter how good the franchise is.
I have been taught that a franchise doesn't produce any money for about 10 years or so. However NACHI members expect an immediate return on "your" efforts. The reason the program doesn't work is not because of the developer, rather the inability of the inspector to implement what was started.
You produce so many cost effective and free advantages to home inspectors that they begin to think that everything should come to them for free. Well, in the real world of business this is not the case.
It's all about taking advantage of what you get, make it better and fits your particular business plan and if you succeed that's a wonderful thing!
 



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Old 8/2/11, 5:18 PM
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Update:
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Old 8/2/11, 5:31 PM
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I'd like someone to explain to me what this means?

"This uniform and nationally-recognized measure (Home Energy Score)
will be incorporated in home inspections at the point of sale and utilized in energy retrofit transactions."




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Old 8/2/11, 5:50 PM
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I'd like someone to explain to me what this means?

"This uniform and nationally-recognized measure (Home Energy Score)
will be incorporated in home inspections at the point of sale and utilized in energy retrofit transactions."
It's up to you to use the Home Energy Score - or not.



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Old 8/2/11, 6:01 PM
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They are bringing up Cap and Trade again. There is a thread on this message board about this subject that set a viewing record. Better read it.

This will result in millions of empty and abandoned homes. This is what socialism brings; ultimate property owner-ship and control by government.

Fannie Mae and Freddie mac was job one. Getting the debt ceiling raised is job 2. Getting more foreclosures by banks and lenders so they and the feds own more properties, if not all of them is next. Making the dollar worthless. They have a list, and are working it to the max.



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Old 8/2/11, 6:15 PM
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It's up to you to use the Home Energy Score - or not.

Got an email from DOE, today. Webinar at the end of this month to prepare for the program to start in September.



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Old 8/2/11, 10:04 PM
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Got an email from DOE, today. Webinar at the end of this month to prepare for the program to start in September.
Not quite.
Pilots have ended. There's a webinar in September to share pilot findings and the next steps.
The national rollout for the DOE's Score will not be until early 2012.

That's why InterNACHI's coming out with its own 'Score' far ahead of the DOE. Soon to be announced...
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Old 8/2/11, 10:26 PM
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Not quite.
Pilots have ended. There's a webinar in September to share pilot findings and the next steps.
The national rollout for the DOE's Score will not be until early 2012.

That's why InterNACHI's coming out with its own 'Score' far ahead of the DOE. Soon to be announced...
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You do realize that there are about a dozen scoring systems that are on the internet for people to do on their own and for raters to use for their clients, right?

It's nice for NACHI to create another one, too, but I understand that the DOE is looking to create a single system that can be uniformly implemented nationally so that apples can be prepared to apples. A house rating a "9" (on a scale of 1 to 10) on one label and another rating a "62" (on a scale of 1 to 100) on a differenct label can hardly be compared.

What happened to your DOE partnership? I thought you were teaming with them on their labelling system.



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Old 8/2/11, 10:41 PM
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You do realize that there are about a dozen scoring systems that are on the internet for people to do on their own and for raters to use for their clients, right?

It's nice for NACHI to create another one, too, but I understand that the DOE is looking to create a single system that can be uniformly implemented nationally so that apples can be prepared to apples. A house rating a "9" (on a scale of 1 to 10) on one label and another rating a "62" (on a scale of 1 to 100) on a differenct label can hardly be compared.

What happened to your DOE partnership? I thought you were teaming with them on their labelling system.
I'd say there's more than a dozen. But not every one runs on the same 'engine' as the DOE's Score. Big performance difference.

InterNACHI's Energy Rating Tool (our 'Score') will add 15-20% to a home inspectors revenue (depending upon fee structure) without adding more inspection time. Great opportunity.

Last week, we had a very good, productive meeting with both EPA and DOE. Government moves slowly. It's excruciatingly funny... they do not know how InterNACHI can do so many things, so well, so fast.



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they do not know how InterNACHI can do so many things, so well, so fast

Neither do I Thanks. Awesome.



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