1-day Illinois state-approved inspection course in Chicago on October 21, 2006.

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Nothing you wrote in this post even remotely relates to the issue of charging a head tax to NACHI members who do not belong to your chapter, Will, unless it is your point that these members outside of your chapter have a duty to finance you for some unusual reason.

That is true. I was just trying to help you by clarifying a misconception that you had.

[James H. Bushart]

Joe's course is a good course, but you remember the problems we had with Illinois state approval at the time.

The only problem there was regarded his late submittal of his test questions for approval.


I am not aware of any one of our vendors who has submitted a course for approval in Illinois to be rejected.


All a person must do is present (by mail) his course and his qualifications to teach it, along with the (ahem) necessary fees, and his approval is mailed to him. I heard that someone tried to perpetuate a rumor that this had to be done through either you or Russ Meyer, at one time, but that went to the wayside a while ago.


Illinois education standards, though highly touted by you and your chapter, are not nearly as tough as a few other states. Try to teach one of your Illinois approved courses in Massachusetts.

Illinois NACHI members who limit themselves to Illinois approved courses and low CEU requirements are cheating themselves out of some outstanding educational opportunities offered by this association.

Whether they choose to pay your head tax to acquire a NACHI sponsored course (which would be unfortunate) or attend at one of all the rest of the chapters who provide it to all NACHI members at the same price, they should take advantage of the opportunity, IMO.

[ldapkus]

Keep up the good work Will. As a Chicago Chapter NACHI member, I do appreciate your efforts for all the great work you do here.

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by jbushart

The only problem there was regarded his late submittal of his test questions for approval.

Not true. It was because the course was not yet approved and the infracturture necessary to proctor the exam (whic the state requires) was not coordinated by anyone. These are the facts.


I am not aware of any one of our vendors who has submitted a course for approval in Illinois to be rejected.


All a person must do is present (by mail) his course and his qualifications to teach it, along with the (ahem) necessary fees, and his approval is mailed to him. I heard that someone tried to perpetuate a rumor that this had to be done through either you or Russ Meyer, at one time, but that went to the wayside a while ago.

The course must be submitted through a state licensed CE provider (which NACHI is. Seperate license and requirements and fees. Then, the course must be submitted for approval by the CE provider licensee administrator (Mr. Russ Myers, in this case). Please read the law. This is what it says. It is very easy for those in other states who do not know the law in this state to misunderstand. That is what you are doing.


Illinois education standards, though highly touted by you and your chapter, are not nearly as tough as a few other states. Try to teach one of your Illinois approved courses in Massachusetts.

Massachusetts is a special case, I admit. But Illinois also has its requirements. The problem with submitting a course in Masssachetts is one of the burocracy and has very little to do with the level of difficulty of the course.


Illinois NACHI members who limit themselves to Illinois approved courses and low CEU requirements are cheating themselves out of some outstanding educational opportunities offered by this association.

That was not my position. I was merely trying to clarify the facts. There are also courses and presentations that are not state approved that are good. Our Chapter also provides them and with no 'mark up'.


Whether they choose to pay your head tax to acquire a NACHI sponsored course (which would be unfortunate) or attend at one of all the rest of the chapters who provide it to all NACHI members at the same price, they should take advantage of the opportunity, IMO.

Your statement begs the question. In any case, we always fill the courses that we have offered. Give the inspectors what they want and they will come. This is what is happening.

I would love to provide it for free, but there are expenses that NACHI does not pay. I have, personally, paid some of those expenses out of my own pocket and not recieved reimbursment (nor to I ask to be reimbursed or expect it. I did it voluntarily. My choice). In any case, your area and conditions are different from ours, so different proceedures apply.

Sorry this is not to your liking.

[Greg Bell]

Hello Jim,

I really have to dog in this fight other than to say that what a chapter does is up to them. I wouldn't like someone from another area telling me what to do just because they didn't agree with what my chapter is doing. I respect your right to voice your opinion. But I feel that in this case you are beating the point to death. There is a very simple solution to this and that is that if a person from Chicago doesn't want to pay the extra then they can join the chapter. Personnel I think it is a great way to get others involved in the chapter (but that is just my personnel opinion).

You have made your point very clear, but it is the right of the Chicago chapter to run their event anyway they see fit. IMHO

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gbell

You have made your point very clear, but it is the right of the Chicago chapter to run their event anyway they see fit. IMHO

I agree...on both counts. Case closed.