I am very pleased to announce the opening of CalNACHI.

[Greg Bell]

Richard,

I am sure that Gerry would be willing to let you teach any of the 120 hours for free that you would like too. Just want you to understand that you will be paying for the room and any materials that would be given to your students.

Please contact him so that he can make arrangements. By the way they also need free educators for the chapter meetings. Let Gerry know what courses you have for that. But also consider that you will be paying all of your expenses plus the cost of the meal.


Gerry, Joe B and myself have all agreed to donate our time for education for the chapter through 2008. I am sure that other dedicated members that want to see this succeed will do the same. I just didn't want you to think that I was just looking for free help from you.

Thanks

[William J. Decker]

Greg,

I would be happy to teach for free. Just need the plane fare.

Hops this helps;

[Richard L. Bennett]

Greg

What is it with this room thing

We all have to to get the 120 hrs in and remember that us that attend the classes have to pay for the rooms so why should the instructors who have to get the same 120 hrs ride for free??

I will pay for my room to get the 120 hrs of instruction and will instruct for free. Put me down for electrical

If we instruct each other we all win. This should not be something that NACHI members make a profit from. We all are in the same boat here.

Gerry must get 120 hrs also if he wants to get a Florida license. I think that all instructors must pass the exam and meet all the other requirments for licensing (just my thoughts)

If we would bring this whole thing up a little and put it on line the cost would go down. Who wants to spend $$ to see a PP show at a hotel when one could see it on the internet

Schools are even teaching online. The cost of the subject matter is 0000 because it is alread been done.

Greg -- This is not a big deal. Some where in the big plan if I have some education (masters degree in EE) it should count in the 120 hrs for some of the required hrs

How many hrs of HI related education do you have? I bet it is over 120 hrs.

Thus my thoughts we all must do what the state says and the best way out of the woods is I instruct you for free and you do the same for me and we both pay for our own rooms

Run the numbers at the local trade school on what 120 hrs of education costs with hotels - food - gas - lost busness - home work time - etc.

This Florida License will put a lot of inspector out in the cold and then the trade schools will fill the market.

If Fl NACHI wants to do something to get members and $$ it better address the issues of today and not get bound up on the chapter thing

Why not say that all NACHI members in Florida are Florida NACHI members if they pay the $50 membership fee. This will give the chapter $$ to get moving. Right now we are just a work in progress and time is running out

Remember you are only president for one year

rlb

[Richard L. Bennett]

Greg

Just to cut to the bottom line -- I am also for free and can do a very good job of instructing as long as the state gives the OK for the education hrs which it won't and that someone else will instruct me for the 120 hrs for the same deal

I know that it will not work but maybe part of the idea will stick to the wall

2000 inspectors in Florida with 120 hrs of required education at lets say $25.00 per hr is a lot of $$$$

Who is going to get it???? Our clients

rlb

[Richard L. Bennett]

Will

I do not see a problem here

What do you think of doing it on line?

I still can't down load and run your class on IR - something wrong with my PP viewer

These cost things are getting out of hand

rlb

[Richard L. Bennett]

TV is real bad tonight

rlb

[Greg Bell]

It appears that my message went right over your head. The point I was making is that even with a free educator there are still costs involved. It costs about 3-400 a day for a room that would accommodate a class.

This will be my last post on the subject of how to run the state chapter. I and all of the board members agree that we don't want to debate the formation of this chapter on the message board.

[Greg Bell]

Hi Will,

Thanks for the offer. I will let you know when we need help in the future.

[Nick Gromicko]

Capitalist that I am.... I advise that you put someone in charge of each major educational offering and pay him 1/2 the fees collected. The other 1/2 can go to the chapter. CE offerings take a lot of work, event planning and hidden costs and you can't do it without reimbursing and incentivising someone financially. No shame in this. Tom Rausch delivered many a reasonably-priced course for us all using this system. Worked well for us, that's all I can say.

[Richard L. Bennett]

Nick

Darn good idea and if the instructor wants to give it back to the chapter that is his choice.

Right now the question is what the State of Florida wants and we might not know the answer to that question for a year.

I do like the idea that you teach me and I teach you

With an approved agressive education plan NACHI members might be the only people left standing

I hope our problems do not cross state lines

rlb

[Joe Farsetta]

For the record;

Tom paid a flat fee per diem to his instructors.

Tom cancelled more classes than he conducted.

Tom often did not work through or with chapters

Tom, to my knowledge, did not share profits after expenses with chapters.

I, on the other hand, have been known to do this.

But, it depends on attendance and expense.

I am sure that Gerry would be willing to let you teach any of the 120 hours for free that you would like too. Just want you to understand that you will be paying for the room and any materials that would be given to your students.

Please contact him so that he can make arrangements. By the way they also need free educators for the chapter meetings. Let Gerry know what courses you have for that. But also consider that you will be paying all of your expenses plus the cost of the meal.

Not sure what this is all about, but NACHI approved courses and instructors are approved for all NACHI members. Individual State approvals come from the State, byt all approved State instructors and courses will also be approved by NACHI, and good throughout the land. No further authorizations will be required. The idea is to put education wherever we can.

As to instructing, NACHI authorized the NACHI-approved classes. Providing the course and instructor is approved by Florida, a bevy of courses and instructors may become available. Approvals beyond NACHI and Florida ate moot.

[Henry Valenzano, CMI]

Looks like another version of CMI to me.

[James H. Bushart]

Yep.

When it was proposed to expose all NACHI members to the whims and interpretations of the Plaintiff's attorney by way of this unusual standard, we killed it.

Rejected once...Rejected right.

Imagine having that document read aloud by the Plaintiff's attorney in court...furnished by the defendant home inspector...contractually accepting the responsibility for the health and safety of the family after they move in the house.

One sure does get a lot in California for his $49.

[Joe Farsetta]

Back to CalNACHI....

This was taken from the website. I find it interesting...

CalNachi Inspectors are premier inspectors who have agreed to adhere to the most stringent Standards of Practice in the industry. What this means to you as a buyer or seller of a property is that your CalNachi inspector is not simply looking for defects that could affect an evaluation of a property but for conditions that could affect the health and safety of the occupants. This has not always been the case in an industry in which many inspectors were ill-trained and hid behind unconscionable disclaimers. For instance, despite the fact that un-tempered glass sliders have been responsible for thousands of serious injuries, and that identifying acid-etched tags are clearly visible, many inspectors simply disclaimed the responsibility. This is but one example of why you should place your trust in a one of California’s premier inspectors.

Note these words taken from the text:

have agreed to adhere to the most stringent Standards of Practice in the industry.

Please look at this SOP. Who owns the words? No answer. REALLY look at what is included. Then picture yourself, not VOLUNTARILY doing some of these, but now pledging (through membership) that you will folow this totally different Standard of Care.

your CalNachi inspector is not simply looking for defects that could affect an evaluation of a property but for conditions that could affect the health and safety of the occupants.

The CalNACHI inspector is now a safety expert. While we all look for safety concerns, we do it as a matter of common practice, where it isnt written anywhere as a requirement or benefit of using any of us. Once we say we are different because we look for conditions which can affect the health and sdafety of the occupants, we better look for ALL items affecting same.

This has not always been the case in an industry in which many inspectors were ill-trained and hid behind unconscionable disclaimers.

Many inspection reporting systems are chocked full of disclaimers, arent they? Which ones? So now, the ED of this ord may help decide which disclaimers are acceptable to include in your reports...

For instance, despite the fact that un-tempered glass sliders have been responsible for thousands of serious injuries, and that identifying acid-etched tags are clearly visible, many inspectors simply disclaimed the responsibility.

Interesting... So now the CalNACHI is REQUIRED to look for this tag, among other things. Not a bad idea to look for it, but it has apparently now become a requirement of the inspection. And by being a CalNACHI member, you are no longer free to include which disclaimers you are operating under, or follow trending in SOP requirements. The game has apparently changed.

[Doug Edwards]

I haven't weighted in on much if any of this discussion but I thought I might give a few thoughts regarding FLNachi. Right now there is no FLNachi but for all intents and purposes we, meaning the FL inspectors, are heading in two directions at the same time. I realize the destination is the same but it appears a lot of effort is being wasted worrying about "what FL will want". Next time a big storm comes ashore go down and pee into it. That is pretty much what we are doing trying to second guess what the hell FL will want or even need. They don't even know at this point and have said so. They got the bill, now they do not see how they are going to do it without some major problems. The cost of the law is already changing and climbing. Licensing always costs a hellava lot more than reported. Who do you think will make up the difference? The bill changed from minute to minute and still didn't come out like anyone thought. Holly Benson is the person in charge of the DBPR and has indicated to us (NW FL Nachi) she is not interested to even discuss it until early 2008. She is taking over a huge Department and has a lot on her plate and the last thing she needs right now is a bunch of HI humping her leg to get their agenda put into place for a law that does not take effect for another 2 and half years. I will be willing to bet there are going to be numerous changes before anything is cast in stone.
Concentrate on getting FLNachi up and running if that is even possible, put FL legislation on simmer. The first thing FLNachi needs to do is find out if there is even a modicum of interest in a State Chapter. FAPHI found there was not. Plenty of folks liked the idea until they found they had to pay some dues then they scattered like a covey of quail. There should be a real FLNachi up, operating, making some committee appointments to head up the various components of a chapter; Education, Legislative (to author a package and go to the Power players) but first perhaps a Membership committee to put together a questionnaire or survey to find out just what a member expects or wants for their dues and membership. You can spin your wheels doing things that will get slapped down before the game even begins. Its kind of like hearing about a new race track is going to be built in town, so you build a Funny car only to find afterwards it is a round dirt track. You have wasted your money, time and had to put up with all the aggravation of hearing everyone's opinion. People get stressed out and get a butt full and quit. Been there, done that and got the damn T-shirt.
That's enough for now. Give it some thought.