And yet another new CMI formula proposal (July, 2006). This one should satisfy all.

[Michael R. Boyett]

Will, now I'm really more confused than ever, bear with me. If I quickly total up the 'points' you listed then it would appear you are only about 1/2 way to 1000 pts for the CMI. Am I missing something on the 'ancillary' contributions you've made? Are you saying those do or maybe should count toward the 1000?

[Richard L. Bennett]

Mike

The new formula is not yet law. The rules have not changed and might not for some time. They might get changed again when other thoughts are posted.

This is not a problem -- this is just a part of growth


rlb

[Michael R. Boyett]

Ahhh..I now understand. Apply under the current 150 hour only rule. Go it!

[John McKenna]

OK Nick,

I like this formula too. It beefs up the education qualifications and
that matters a bunch. It is not too far away for someone who wants
to be a real "master" and not just a pretend "master".

I am very glad to see the experience factor is still in place. Let me
share something I just read on an web site about novice home
inspectors. The facts are that many new inspectors who have been
in business for less than one year are more likely to be sued for
errors and omissions. Some insuarance companies do not like to
insure them at all. They want to see some experience.

In Texas you get your license with 488 hours of education and a passing
test score. But I guarantee you that those boys are still a novice when it
come to understanding what an inspection is really all about.

I have never, I mean never.... met an any employers who went around
looking for people to hire that had no experience in the high quality job
they needed filled. Experience is not the perfect measure of someone,
but it looks very weak to hand out CMI certifications to someone who
has little or no experience. It makes no sense to me why some people
cannot see that.

John McKenna
American Home Inspection

[Russell Spriggs]

Nick, kudos for all the thought & effort given, as well as broadsides taken on this. I think this will fly with the majority!

[Nick Gromicko]

To steal a line from Gerry Beaumont... "It appears that CMI is at risk of becoming credible"

[Richard L. Bennett]

Nick

It it credible and getting better --- Nothing in the industry was close when it started and nothing is even close if the changes take place

rlb

[Nick Gromicko]

Will and Richard (off topic):

Yesterday I got a copy of the Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws for the Chicago Chapter of NACHI from Attorney Elizabeth Westover, cc Russel Myers & William Decker.

[William J. Decker]

Corp paperwork is all submitted to NACHIs lawyer. Waiting on her.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by wdecker

I just finished 163 lifetime hours of verifiable home inspection education hours.

I am required to complete 12 hours of state approved CE during the 2 year license term in Illinois. I have completed over twice that (28 hours, so far).

I have written and had approved 2 state CE courses, 12 hours of Illinois State approved CE (about 140 hours to prepare, but I only get to claim, I am only allowed, 12 hours credit).

I have taught both these classes, in Illinois and in other states, all for the benifit of NACHI inspectors. I have never recieved any remuniation for teaching these classes.

I have taken newly licensed inspectors on a cumulative 142 hours of ride alongs.

I have done 27 hours of 'reverse ride alongs' (where I rode along with a new inspector doing their first inspection and let them take the lead and was only there to 'shlep' their ladders and tools and back them up and do an 'after action' debrief to make sure that they did the report well and properly served their clients).

I have answered many hours (I can't count them) of NACHI inspectors from around the country (and Canada) of questions via phone calls.

I have over 165 paid inspections, of which 12 are commecial.

I have done over 182 draw inspections.

I have served as Vice-President of a NACHI Chapter.

I have been appointed a NACHI education committee member (and been 'Resigned' from that position. My screw up.).

I am a member of the MAB, elected by the elected members to fill the positions of other members who had resigned.

I have used my own home as a 'House of Horrors' for newly licensed inspectors.

I have garnered the support of a majority of our Chapter members and been elected President of our Chapter, even against the desires, wishes and mass E-mailed (and not understood or explained) lack-of endorsment from the founding President. I still fully respect him. He was also the first CMI in our state and he fully deserves it. He is an awesome inspector. I only hope that I can be half the inspector that he already is and has been for many years.

Of all my clients, I have only had one complaint about my services. I have also had 23 client attorneys call me and say 'Yours are the most thorough home inspection reports I have ever seen'.

I am applying for CMI.

I think it is worth something.

I sincerely promise to try to live up to it, to make it mean something.

I would hope that everyone else who recieves this designation will also work to make it mean something, and to never tarnish it.

Just my opinion, but I hope it helps.

Well Will with the burden of having performed a whole 165 inspections, I can see why you would be drawn to the CMI thingy.

[Russell Spriggs]

And with countless hours of making himself available to members nationally, running himself ragged as a volunteer at the convention and writing / creating courses for all of our use, I wholeheartedly support Will's decision. He is one of the men in this organization that has my total respect.
I, too, can see why he is drawn to it.

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by wdecker

I just finished 163 lifetime hours of verifiable home inspection education hours.

I am required to complete 12 hours of state approved CE during the 2 year license term in Illinois. I have completed over twice that (28 hours, so far).

I have written and had approved 2 state CE courses, 12 hours of Illinois State approved CE (about 140 hours to prepare, but I only get to claim, I am only allowed, 12 hours credit).

I have taught both these classes, in Illinois and in other states, all for the benifit of NACHI inspectors. I have never recieved any remuniation for teaching these classes.

I have taken newly licensed inspectors on a cumulative 142 hours of ride alongs.

I have done 27 hours of 'reverse ride alongs' (where I rode along with a new inspector doing their first inspection and let them take the lead and was only there to 'shlep' their ladders and tools and back them up and do an 'after action' debrief to make sure that they did the report well and properly served their clients).

I have answered many hours (I can't count them) of NACHI inspectors from around the country (and Canada) of questions via phone calls.

I have over 165 paid inspections, of which 12 are commecial.

I have done over 182 draw inspections.

I have served as Vice-President of a NACHI Chapter.

I have been appointed a NACHI education committee member (and been 'Resigned' from that position. My screw up.).

I am a member of the MAB, elected by the elected members to fill the positions of other members who had resigned.

I have used my own home as a 'House of Horrors' for newly licensed inspectors.

I have garnered the support of a majority of our Chapter members and been elected President of our Chapter, even against the desires, wishes and mass E-mailed (and not understood or explained) lack-of endorsment from the founding President. I still fully respect him. He was also the first CMI in our state and he fully deserves it. He is an awesome inspector. I only hope that I can be half the inspector that he already is and has been for many years.

Of all my clients, I have only had one complaint about my services. I have also had 23 client attorneys call me and say 'Yours are the most thorough home inspection reports I have ever seen'.

I am applying for CMI.

I think it is worth something.

I sincerely promise to try to live up to it, to make it mean something.

I would hope that everyone else who recieves this designation will also work to make it mean something, and to never tarnish it.

Just my opinion, but I hope it helps.

Will, unless I have missed something the qualifications that you have listed above would not qualify you as a CMI under the proposal that Nick posted.

Regards

Gerry

[Michael R. Boyett]

Gerry, that's what I pointed out a few posts up. Richard explained to me that Will is proposing to apply for CMI under the current 150 hr only rule.

[rdawes]

The latest formula is better than previous. I think that it is vitally important that experience be kept in the formula as an important component. Yes it is theoretically possible that an inspector could perform 1000 terrible inspections but could he/she really stay in business long enough to do that? You don't avoid lawsuits or get referral business by doing shoddy work. As least not for very long.

I usually have at least one inspection a week where I see something new that has not been covered in my almost-but-not-quite 200 hours of inspection education that give me pause to think: is that OK or not? If not, why not? I then go to the IRC, NEC, UBC, web sites, discussion forums, or other resources and do some research. And I learn something from it. Next time I see that item, I know what's going on with it and why. Doing inspections properly is a continual education process in itself. I suspect that this learning process will never stop.

Unfortunately, neither I nor anyone else can prove that we approach inspections in this manner and I have seen inspectors who don't give a darn about anything except getting thru the inspection as fast as possible and collecting the check. But I am willing to bet that inspectors who treat performing inspections as a continual learning process will outlast those that don't.

I might apply under the new formula when I can qualify or I might not. We'll see where the program stands at that time. But I will not apply now under the 150 hours education only rule even though I do qualify for it.

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by mboyett

Gerry, that's what I pointed out a few posts up. Richard explained to me that Will is proposing to apply for CMI under the current 150 hr only rule.

Mike, IMHO all the 150 hour rule does is to devalue the whole program.

I also strongly believe that there should be other prequalifying criteria such as having passed NHIE, state examination or others.

Regards

Gerry