And yet another new CMI formula proposal (July, 2006). This one should satisfy all.

[William J. Decker]

Joe;

If they offer it and ia qualify (under the original rules) why not apply?

Gerry;

I forgot this in my previous post. I have passed the NHIE.

Look, I am not saying that I am great or even good. I have much to learn and I learn somthing new every day.

I am just saying that if 150 ed hours are required and I exceed that, why should I not apply?

I didn't set the rules. I just have to work with them.

[Nick Gromicko]

Well, we can't use the NHIE, as should no one, due to its ridiculously high pass rate (now 70%) and low passing cut off score (70%). Nearly everyone passes and even those who pass can answer nearly 1/3 of the questions incorrectly. It has become a Kindergarten test compared to the pass rates and cut-off scores of other inspection exams: http://exams.nachi.org/stats.php (hit refresh and wait 2 minutes for live calculation to ocurr).

With all the continuing education options out there I think raising the continuing education requiremnets to 200 shouldn't be a problem for someone seeking to be a "Certified Master Inspector." Here are just some free outside-NACHI online continuing education offerings: http://www.nachi.org/outsideconted2006

Remember, under this formula, an inspector who fulfilled 200 hours of continuing education and has been in business for 3 years (156 weeks), would still have had to perform 644 actual inspections, abide by one of 7 SOPs, abide by the highest COE ever written, and pass a criminal background check.

[Nick Gromicko]

On the criminal background check issue, I'm looking for a volunteer who can review appeals. We've had 2 inspectors who are asking for an exemption as they were involved in non-violent offenses many years ago. I would like someone (other than Joe Farsetta who has too much on his plate) to review these requests and grant exemptions if deemed reasonable.

[Michael R. Boyett]

Originally Posted by wdecker

Look, I am not saying that I am great or even good. I have much to learn and I learn somthing new every day.

I am just saying that if 150 ed hours are required and I exceed that, why should I not apply?

Will, I think then it's a matter of integrity, of which I know you have an abundance of. I too qualify but I do not remotely consider myself a Master by any stretch of the imagination and you seem to feel the same way about yourself. Regardless of what requirements the CMI board has currently in place I will not apply for CMI under the 150 hr only rule. I, like Ron, might apply in the future if the 1000 pt rule is adopted.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Well, we can't use the NHIE, as should no one, due to its ridiculously high pass rate (now 70%) and low passing cut off score (70%).

Nick, If that's an issue then raise the required NHIE score for entrance into CMI to 85 or 90%. Doesn't Florida require a higher passing grade on the NHIE that other states? Why not CMI too?

The more credible options CMI has for membership the better.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by wdecker

Joe;

If they offer it and ia qualify (under the original rules) why not apply?

Gerry;

I forgot this in my previous post. I have passed the NHIE.

Look, I am not saying that I am great or even good. I have much to learn and I learn somthing new every day.

I am just saying that if 150 ed hours are required and I exceed that, why should I not apply?

I didn't set the rules. I just have to work with them.

Will I see nothing wrong if you are following the rules to go for it .
Those who wish to comlain I say go suck a lemon.
If we all try and follow all the rules all the time this would be a better world .
To complain about what the rules should be or might be is wrong .
Rules and laws are continuing changing some times for the better some times for the worse.
Follow todays rules and enjoy life it is too short to complain about what might be or could be.

Roy Cooke Sr

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by mboyett

Will, I think then it's a matter of integrity, of which I know you have an abundance of. I too qualify but I do not remotely consider myself a Master by any stretch of the imagination and you seem to feel the same way about yourself. Regardless of what requirements the CMI board has currently in place I will not apply for CMI under the 150 hr only rule. I, like Ron, might apply in the future if the 1000 pt rule is adopted.

I think that CMI should not be accepting any applications at present until the rules are fixed in place. The previous rules have proved to be unacceptable due to a lack of credability inspectors voted with there feet and did not apply.

Regards

Gerry

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by gbeaumont

I think that CMI should not be accepting any applications at present until the rules are fixed in place. The previous rules have proved to be unacceptable due to a lack of credability inspectors voted with there feet and did not apply.

Regards

Gerry

Gerry, I see no problem with Will getting the same CMI that was awarded you.

[bkelly1]

Originally Posted by gromicko

On the criminal background check issue, I'm looking for a volunteer who can review appeals. We've had 2 inspectors who are asking for an exemption as they were involved in non-violent offenses many years ago. I would like someone (other than Joe Farsetta who has too much on his plate) to review these requests and grant exemptions if deemed reasonable.

I can hep if needed, when it al gets straightened out.

[Carl Pennick]

I have a way to sort this whole mess out once and for all. Let Nick, Gerry, Greg Bell, Joe F and Joe B all meet up somewhere and play Paper, Rocks, Scissors winner get to choose the criteria for CMI

God I am so bloody cleaver

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by gbeaumont

I think that CMI should not be accepting any applications at present until the rules are fixed in place. The previous rules have proved to be unacceptable due to a lack of credability inspectors voted with there feet and did not apply.

Regards

Gerry

I think todays rules apply until there has been a change .
Roy sr

[Greg Bell]

No matter what is done in the future with new requirements this program will always have a lack of creditabilty because of the lack of reasonable requirements from the start. IMHO

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by gbell

No matter what is done in the future with new requirements this program will always have a lack of creditabilty because of the lack of reasonable requirements from the start. IMHO

Back in the about 1950 Both my brothers where given their electricians License like many others because they where working as electricians.
I served an apprenticeship to get my license.
I do not think this made me any a better electrician then all those who received there's .
They did the same thing in later years for many other trades .
They have to start some where and if you disagree then sorry but I feel all the arguments in the world will not stop progress.
My thoughts Roy Sr

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by jbowman

Gerry, I see no problem with Will getting the same CMI that was awarded you.

Actually John you raise a good point, I would be happy to be removed from CMI until such time as acceptable standards apply. Then all who feel that they qualify would be free to apply.

Regards

Gerry

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by gbeaumont

Actually John you raise a good point, I would be happy to be removed from CMI until such time as acceptable standards apply. Then all who feel that they qualify would be free to apply.

Regards

Gerry

Sorry Gerry you can do as you wish but I feel you followed the rules and need not have your self removed . I also have my CMI and have no concern about the new regulations what ever they are but principle says In good faith I sent in my information and was excepted . I did not cheat . I also feel any one else who has theirs if they did not cheat then them was the rules .
Laws and rules are meant to be followed and not back dated.
My thoughts Roy Sr.