Another Association With Money & Power Wants to Fix Our Profession!

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

ASTM International to Hold Organizational Meeting for New Activity on Inspection of Residential Dwellings

It appears that our profession is in for a big change, is anyone from NACHI attending this meeting, if not I suggest that Gerry Beaumont be recruited to represent NACHI as soon as possible.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

ASTM International to Hold Organizational Meeting for New Activity on Inspection of Residential Dwellings

It appears that our profession is in for a big change, is anyone from NACHI attending this meeting, if not I suggest that Gerry Beaumont be recruited to represent NACHI as soon as possible.

Joe Great find I agree we need to stay in touch and try to know what there thoughts and ideas are.

Did you send this to NICK.......... Roy Cooke

[Brian E. Kelly]

Probably only a worry for unlicensed states.

[Richard L. Bennett]

Joe

What is your relationship with ASHI with their backing of the Florida HI bill and their upcoming events to raise money for them??

It seems to me that you might be serving two masters and I do realize that they might be using you but some how I see a problem


Set me straight if I am off base

rlb

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Richard,

My business is my own, I owe you nothing, kiss my ***!

Joe.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Probably only a worry for unlicensed states.

LOL. Not hardly.

Read their commercial standards and see how bland they are. They have a section that even spells out how, if the client and inspector agree to modify the standard in any manner, they may do as they see fit...applying some of it or all of it, as they wish.

It's worthless.

[rstrahan]

Originally Posted by jbushart

They have a section that even spells out how, if the client and inspector agree to modify the standard in any

WTF is your problem with that???

You don't do much commercial if you don't see some benefit in ASTM 2018

[wforsyth]

On February 19, 2007, ASTM International (ASTM) will hold an Organizational Meeting for a new standards development activity on Inspection of Residential Dwellings. The meeting will take place in conjunction with the Annual Conference of the National Association of Home Inspectors (NAHI), and will be held at the Riviera Hotel & Casino, 2901 Las Vegas Blvd., Las Vegas, NV 89109 (phone: 702/794-9412; www.rivierahotel.com). The meeting will commence at 9:00 a.m. and adjourn at approximately 4:00 p.m. NOTE: There is no fee to attend this meeting.
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Funny who's convention it's being held at.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rstrahan

WTF is your problem with that???

You don't do much commercial if you don't see some benefit in ASTM 2018

I have no problem with it. I am simply pointing out that a standard that allows itself to be ignored when convenient is no standard. It is simply a "guideline". That's all.

[Carl Pennick]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Richard,

My business is my own, I owe you nothing, kiss my ***!

Joe.

Easy Tiger

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Yes, ASTM E2018-01 allows the inspector to tailor their inspection and subsequent report to both market conditions and the needs of the client.

I believe this is both uplifting and enterprising in that the inspector is no longer forced to inspect to a strict SoP and is allowed to create inspection products for niche markets.

For instance a large part of my business has become Insurance & foreclosure inspections which at this time are not performed to any standard.

Furthermore, I can envision how a cafeteria standard like ASTM E2018-01 would be beneficial in regards to New Construction, Warranty and Pre-Sale inspections for both the inspector and the client. Bottom line is we should be allowed to sell what people want (market driven) and not be forced to provide inspection services just because some arbitrary SoP demands them.

[away]

James,
Not to bust your chops too much, but using your logic of being able to change/ignore the standards at will thus making them useless and nothing more than guidelines, could be applied to the NACHI SoP as well. Section 1.1 allows for the same scenario.

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

ASTM International to Hold Organizational Meeting for New Activity on Inspection of Residential Dwellings

It appears that our profession is in for a big change, is anyone from NACHI attending this meeting, if not I suggest that Gerry Beaumont be recruited to represent NACHI as soon as possible.

Hi to all,

Joe, my time scale would not allow me to go, also I think that if NACHI had the foresight to send somebody that it should be Joe F, and maybe Joe Ferry.

Regards

Gerry

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Gerry,

Too bad, I know that you are already a member of ASTM. I just reciently joined ASTM but my other commitments would preclude me from attending and representing NACHI.

Great idea, I believe Joe Farsetta would be a fine NACHI representitive for this meeting, maybe he would be willing to attend.

Joe.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Yes, ASTM E2018-01 allows the inspector to tailor their inspection and subsequent report to both market conditions and the needs of the client.

I believe this is both uplifting and enterprising in that the inspector is no longer forced to inspect to a strict SoP and is allowed to create inspection products for niche markets.

For instance a large part of my business has become Insurance & foreclosure inspections which at this time are not performed to any standard.

Furthermore, I can envision how a cafeteria standard like ASTM E2018-01 would be beneficial in regards to New Construction, Warranty and Pre-Sale inspections for both the inspector and the client. Bottom line is we should be allowed to sell what people want (market driven) and not be forced to provide inspection services just because some arbitrary SoP demands them.

The stated purpose of this ASTM meeting is to establish standards
that everyone can agree on.

..."the need to evolve the current standards of practice (SOPs) for this industry"

Will the new and evolved ideas become just another "arbitrary
SOP", as you say?

BTW... it has been shown that SOP, in any state that are not enforced,
quickly erode into suggestions that are ignored.

Will these new NAHI and ASTM ideas amount to anything in Texas
law? If not... it's nothing but hot air and an excuse to visit
Las Vegas...

How about other states? Do they care about some NAHI and ASTM
meeting in a Las Vegas hotel? If a tree fell in the woods and no one
heard it, did it make a noise?

Who is behind the politics of this meeting and who is seeking to
advance what agenda?

It sounds like much ado about nothing, to create more SOP that
will be adjusted and ignored by each person in the end anyway...
as ASTM has already stated.

In French, this is called La Bull****

Why don't we all inspect to our own SOP, that we make up on
the fly... so we can deceive ourselves into a free market with
no rules but our own... ?

Hello, is anyone home?