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Old 9/18/08, 7:31 PM
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So, who is McCain? Have a look at this website and tell me who you think the lesser of the two evils is. Assuming we're going to believe everything we read that is.

http://christianparty.net/mccain.htm
I bet it takes you a long time at the Supermarket checkout, to go through the tabloids, hunh!



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Old 9/18/08, 7:34 PM
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...and this is the best the party had to offer.

And how will my fellow Republicans who are trying to appear to be enthusiastic for their ticket respond to this?

By attempting to make the weak candidate appear stronger by highlighting the shortcomings of his opponent.

Some people buy it. I don't.
There certainly are better candidates IMHO but that cuts both ways.

We are left with a terrible choice to make.

Some will chose to "spank" the the party to make a point.

Others will understand the real dangers of granting more power to those that will change this country to something that we will no longer recognize.

May we choose well.



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Old 9/18/08, 8:36 PM
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My point in posting that website is that both sides are equally as guilty when it comes to falsifying information or trying to "cover up" the past. Obama said this, McCain did that. And vice versa. And our media has no problem exploiting it as well all know. It's almost a political soap opera when it comes down to it as sad as that sounds.
Ben;

I don't understand. Certainly you do not believe that the linked site had even a shred of truth or research in it.

It was obviously a "neo NAZI" web site and you really don't expect those people to be in any way rational, do you?

Whether or not a candidate actually said something, and (VERY IMPORTANT) the context in which it was said is easily available to check.

And, sure, the DSM (Down Stream Media) is a) In the tank for Obama and b) likes to have juicy stuff to serve up in order to keep up their ratings. But most of these things are easily checkable on Google. You just have to do due dilligence.

How would you feel if you did a great inspection for a client, they didn't bother themselves with reading the report, some major (in the client's belief) issues which you called out) cropped up and they sued you for millions of dollars? You would just assume that they didn't do due dilligence.

It's the same with this election. If people don't check things out, for themselves and from reliable sources, they are not being serious about THE most important duty a U.S. citizen has.

And those that don't vote, of vote for the so-called "third parties" that everyone knows won't win, you have absolutely given up your "right" to complain.

Funny how some people can recite the entire line up of their local baseball team, complete with stats, but can't even name their own state and federal legislative reps.

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Old 9/18/08, 8:49 PM
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You're right.

As a Republican, I am sickened by how we have had to scoop from the bottom of the barrel.

Don't you just love people who call themselves Republicans, but don't support the party? RINO. Republican In Name Only.

In '52, we had Ike...the amazing general who commanded the entire European theater...and led the Normandy invasion that won the war. He commanded such men as Bradley and Patton. He commanded, led and succeeded.

Today....we have a Navy pilot who crashed his plane and was taken prisoner.

Ike was very underappriciated as President.

McCain did a lot more than crash a plane and get taken prisoner.

Ike did a great deal as President, McCain has done a great deal as a Senator.

Already disciplined by his fellow Senators for his poor judgment involving his role in a credit union scandal, he chooses a former weather girl to replace him in office should he require a sixth cancer operation that has complications.

1) Fact: McCain had no involvement and was NOT "Disciplined", in any legal way, for his part (which consisted of only ONE letter) in the Keating 5 scandal. As Bennett (the Democratic Special Procecuter in the case) has publiclly stated, the only reason that McCain's name even came up is that the other 4 were Dems and the Democratic Congress would not accept his report unless he added a Republican. McCain was not convicted or even considered part of the problem. He only wrote one letter to the government agency involved, and asked ONLY that a decision be made, and never mentioned what that decsion should be.

2) Sarah Palin is much more than a former weather girl. She has won more elections, passed more laws, made more decisions and has lead WAY more than Obama, who is the Dem's #1 guy, and she is only #2 on the Republican ticket.

Just keeping the record clear. You don't believe me, look it up yourself.



...and this is the best the party had to offer.

In your opinion (and mine!) McCain was not our first choice.

But, it is what the party's majority (based upon primary votes) has chosen.

And how will my fellow Republicans who are trying to appear to be enthusiastic for their ticket respond to this?

I just did. BTW: Are you also a Conservative?

By attempting to make the weak candidate appear stronger by highlighting the shortcomings of his opponent.

Some people buy it. I don't.
Just pointing out facts. When you have lemonaid, best to make lemon Marange Pie

BTW: I would be pointing out these facts about Obama regardless of who the Republicans chose.

I wanted Rommney or Thompson. Who did you want, Jim?



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Old 9/18/08, 8:54 PM
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Having already made his choice, Jim is forced to make the candidates of his party look as bad as possible to justify his defection.



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Old 9/18/08, 9:09 PM
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Others will understand the real dangers of granting more power to those that will change this country to something that we will no longer recognize.
I understand, and so do MANY others, that this is what has been happening before our very eyes over the last few years.



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Old 9/18/08, 9:20 PM
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Who is Barack Obama?

As the title asked!



I think he is the one just to the right of Snow White! Not sure though?
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Old 9/18/08, 9:25 PM
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I understand, and so do MANY others, that this is what has been happening before our very eyes over the last few years.
It is a systemic problem that goes back more than a few years Chris.

Can you imagine if Clinton had been able to nationalize the health care system?



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Old 9/18/08, 10:16 PM
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Having already made his choice, Jim is forced to make the candidates of his party look as bad as possible to justify his defection.
Jim doesn't need to do that when it is McSame/Palin, they look about as bad as one can get without being pictured in prison stripes behind bars. Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.



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Old 9/18/08, 10:19 PM
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Joey is in the same boat, his guy Ron Paul could not get traction and now he has to play the same game to make himself feel better.



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Old 9/18/08, 10:22 PM
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Touche'



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Old 9/18/08, 10:27 PM
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Joey is in the same boat, his guy Ron Paul could not get traction and now he has to play the same game to make himself feel better.
Joe's guy could be a player. In a close race, a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama. Don't forget what Ross Perot did to Bush in '92.



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Old 9/18/08, 10:30 PM
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Don't forget Nader.



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Old 9/18/08, 10:36 PM
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Don't forget Nader.
Why not? Most have.

To make a difference in this race a third candidate would need to pull 4% to 6%. Nader doesn't even have a base of 1%. Paul, as a Republican, offers those disgruntled GOPers who refuse to vote for McCain the opportunity to be at least be partially "loyal" as Will suggested.

I bet he pulls some last minute folks who just can't allow themselves to see the VPILF a heartbeat away from the "red button".



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Don't forget Nader.
Who? Sorry the world has forgotten Nader.



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