Ben stein

[Bob Elliott]

Originally Posted by wdecker

See below:


Ok, so you just make (sexual and masterbatory) fun of that which you do not understand?

How safe for you.

Get serious, Bob, or stay out of the adult conversations.

Will my comments were not directed at you but perhaps the should be as you spend so much time with self glorification.

You are right that I wish no conversation with Pseudo intellectuals .

What is safe is sticking to only two or three subjects and using the forum as a keyword generator rather than sticking ones neck out to help solve real problems from real Inspectors.

Now please return to stories of the old testament and insulting those that recommend your services.

Before commenting on the splinter in my eye one should remove the log in ones own vision.

One can not profess to be religious in nature ,while at the same time being arrogant and braggart in nature.

[mnahrgang]

Originally Posted by belliott

One can not profess to be religious in nature ,while at the same time being arrogant and braggart in nature.

So I guess being arrogant and braggart in nature is okay if you're not religious in nature...

[Bob Elliott]

Interesting that my post should generate such ignorant commentary.
Very powerful and true words.
"I do not agree with his politics , but I do agree with what he said in that powerful passage ,if I may call it such. "

[mnahrgang]

Originally Posted by belliott

Interesting that my post should generate such ignorant commentary....

You must be referring to this post...

Originally Posted by belliott

This was not a political piece but the same half dozen right sided idiots turn everything here into a we miss Bush sing along.

Only a Moron can turn a compliment into and argument.

Please reform the Jerk Circle and turn your back to me. (thank you)

Oh wait, that's right... YOU posted this. Hmmmm. But I guess it okay for you to be a hypocrite.

[Bob Elliott]

Actually you left out the moronic attempt of unsolicited insult you threw at me.

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Originally Posted by belliott
You only know positions I take on a forum that are sometimes not what I actually believe

Does that make you a liar, a jerk, or both?

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Originally Posted by belliott
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I also change my opinions as I am not one for rigid thinking.

So truth is relative for you? What do you say about absolute truth?

Since when are anyone's political opinions absolute truth ? Jerk!

[mnahrgang]

Originally Posted by belliott

Actually you left out the moronic attempt of unsolicited insult you threw at me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by belliott
You only know positions I take on a forum that are sometimes not what I actually believe

Does that make you a liar, a jerk, or both?

Quote:
Originally Posted by belliott
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I also change my opinions as I am not one for rigid thinking.

So truth is relative for you? What do you say about absolute truth?

Since when are anyone's political opinions absolute truth ? Jerk!

When they are absolutely true.

BTW, I wasn't attempting to insult you. I simply asked some very logical questions, that you apparently were incapable of answering without blithering...

[Bob Elliott]

Originally Posted by mnahrgang

When they are absolutely true.

BTW, I wasn't attempting to insult you. I simply asked some very logical questions, that you apparently were incapable of answering without blithering...

Calling me a Liar and a jerk is not insulting?

The reason I mainly take the Liberal side on this forum is because of small minded people such as you and your little coven of backwards minds pretending to be a moral majority.

Anyone who does not think Regan is GOD or that Bush was not right to send Americans to their death in Iraq is on your little black list.

I have stated here many times over that neither party appeals to me.

My lean is closer to Conservative ideals on finance and Liberal or Libertarian on Social issues.

Only small minds repeat Mantra, which is the same thing as empty headed as that is what pure meditation actually is.

Anything repeated often enough over and over is a form of brain washing , while a true intellectual bears an open mind and holds no grudges.

Peace be with you and I pray for you.

[mnahrgang]

Originally Posted by belliott

Calling me a Liar and a jerk is not insulting?

Correction. The only reason to take a stand on something you do not hold (aka lie) is to stir up trouble (aka being a jerk).

Because you stated that you take stands that you do not hold, I simply asked you a question? Does that make you a liar, jerk or both? The question is for you to answer or not. It's also for you to be insulted or not. But being insulted in this case is on lines with being angry at the umpire when he calls you out for missing the ball three times in a row. I call em like I see em.

Originally Posted by belliott

The reason I mainly take the Liberal side on this forum is because of small minded people such as you and your little coven of backwards minds pretending to be a moral majority.

Anyone who does not think Regan is GOD or that Bush was not right to send Americans to their death in Iraq is on your little black list.

That's funny because in my younger days I was as liberal as a Massachusetts Kennedy. As I grew up and "opened" my mind I saw the reality of the fact that what a liberal claimed to be protecting or supporting was actually the exact opposite. Besides, no one has ever said Reagan or Bush were God... No one is perfect. But they were both a heck of a lot better than the zero we've got in office now.

Originally Posted by belliott

I have stated here many times over that neither party appeals to me.

My lean is closer to Conservative ideals on finance and Liberal or Libertarian on Social issues.

Only small minds repeat Mantra, which is the same thing as empty headed as that is what pure meditation actually is.

Anything repeated often enough over and over is a form of brain washing , while a true intellectual bears an open mind and holds no grudges.

Pretty much describes the Liberal playbook don't ya think? Yo might also want to consider the fact that a completely open mind is a two way street. It appears that many who claim to be open minded are so open minded that their brains have leaked out.

BTW, I became a conservative, because I decided to practice what I was preaching and "open my mind" to the points of the other side. Once I did I was able to see the hypocrisy and lies of the left. I'm not open minded to lies, or liars...

Originally Posted by belliott

Peace be with you and I pray for you.

Thank you.

[William J. Decker]

I would like to make a couple of point, here:

1) Many people call themselves "moderate" or "independent". They do tend to call a pox on both the Republican and Democrate parties (or the conservative and liberal ideologies). THis is, usually, because they have never really examined their own feelings, beliefs and principles (if they even have any) and are uninformed with regards to politics, political theory, fiscal policy and foreign affairs.

They are not "open minded", they are just uninformed or lazy.

2) It is logically impossible to be a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. If you are a conservative, your base principles are towards individual liberty and you recognize the value of each person. Liberals, on the other hand, tend to believe that the "collective", the whole society and its general welfare is more important than the individual.

So a conservative, fiscally, would not allow the state to set confiscatory taxes and use them to pay for the killing of the unborn, as one example.

3) Many, in this area, grow up with the political climate of the Chicago area. Graft, corruption, "knowing a guy" and all the rest, as well as connections to the mob, public extrotion of the left against corporations, union pressure and all the rest. They, therefore, tend to think that this is the way that politics is always played, everywhere. It is not, but they tend to believe that because they are aware of these local truths, that they are, therefore, politically savy.

They are not.

4) It is impossible to be a "liberal" and have a set of logical and consistant first principles.

- A liberal always talks about the "good of the children" while also supporting the teacher's union, which puts their own advancement (both in increased pay and in political power) ahead of properly educating the children.

- A liberal supports "a women's right to choose" (i.e., abortion) while at the same time supporting government single payer health care which will (and has, in the case of Medicare) taken away the patient's right to choose their own health treatments.

- A liberal, first and formost, has no real "first principles", but only reacts to how they "feel" and use meaningless words like "unfair" and "social justice" to further their agenda. Social justice, to me, means that those who work hard and do things better, succeed, and those who don't, don't. Fair, to me and as far as taxes are concerned, is a flat tax, say 18% tax rate. If I make 10 times more income than you do, I pay 10 times more taxes (in real dollars) than you do. But liberals, who really don't want to be fair, promote "progressive taxation" where I would have to pay 30 times more tax than you do. See how fair, to a liberal, can mean anything they want it to?

Mr. Stein's commentary is clear, and that is one of his gifts. He helps one look through all the BS that is thrown up by those of liberal tendancies.

Hope this helps;

[Doug Edwards]

Will,
Arnold Schwartzenegger (sp) always claimed to be a fiscal conservative while maintaining he was a social liberal or moderate. Once he was the Governator of CA and had to figure out how to pay for all those social programs he suddenly found out it was not only not easy, it was virtually impossible to be those two things simultaneously. They are completely incongruous, logically, as you stated and no matter how much money one throws at a problem, if you do not deal with the underlying cause of the problems (social ills and "entitlements) they will not now, nor ever go away and in fact throwing money will tremendously exacerbate the problems and in most cases add multiple new "wild" problems.