CMI Xmas Update

[Richard L. Bennett]

The site is not of the quality that is professional. A site that is under construction should not be on the Internet to represent a professional.

It has incorrect and confusing information. He is trying to charge $300 plus a year for a CMI to be listed. He has a store on it for a ID. He has a members only section. He has incorrect English right in the title line. "an Master Inspector"

The use of the CMI log and then reff to the ASCMI. Plus the change in qualifications and the requirement that one be a member of an inspector association.

Not that my site does not have some areas that need to be change but I am not representing a group of very professional people that are paying big bucks to someone

Shall I go on??

rlb

[mrowan]

Richard

The hardest part of the technology is complete, the engine that runs behind the scenes. The functions will allow inspectors to list and edit their profiles with logos and head shots, access CMI information, upload reports and more. We uploaded John M. on there, just search under zip code 11111! www.masterbuildinginspector.com

The easiest part is the front end, but the hardest as it requires text and information. The message board is being tested and I am still not sure if it is the one or not. All in good time. We will start uploading CMI’s onto the system next week and they will have back end access to other functions.

John, your old age must be getting to you as far as the accurate account of the inspectors listed on the Master Inspector booklet. It is still available on www.choosenachi.com. I also know that you take joy out of always looking for the negative side of every position. But that is ok, we are here to help.

Here is an accurate account of the inspectors listed. Most have many other qualifications, from licensed contractors, engineers and more.

If you calculate the average numbers you will find it to be over 6 years in the business and I believe over 2200 inspections with the listed inspectors. Not a bad number!

David Jolly = 3 years / 600 inspections
Gary Clarke = 8 Years / 3000 inspections
Tabor K Hill = 14 years / 6000 inspections
Alan Hertz = 7 years/ 2500 inspections
John Feehan = 5 Years / 1000 inspections
Paul Erickson = 5 Years / 2500 inspections
Tony Arnold = 2 years / 300 inspections – level 1 & 2 IR / Building science and more
Rod James = 6 Years / 2000 inspections
Bobby Mayes = 8 years / 1600 inspections
Guillermo Vargas = 3 years / 500 inspections – PHD engineering
Marty Cohen = 14 years / 3000 inspections
Tom Richie = 6 years / 2000 inspections
Rob Stubberfield = 7 years / 2000 inspections
Carl Sanders = 2 years / 750 inspections
Daniel Jardine = 1.5 years / 500 inspections
John Ahern = 2.5 Years / 1200 inspections
Martin Sloan = 2.5 years / 1000 inspections
Brian Thomee = 7 years / 2000 inspections
Gerald Fox = 8 years / 2000 inspections
Michael rowan = 21 years / 10000 inspections


Michael

[Richard L. Bennett]

Mike

476.19 payed inspections per year as an average for 21 years!! That is a record that is going to be hard to beat.

I think we need to perhaps honor you as Masters of Masters. When did you ever sleep??

It is still a bad site

I can't even hack into the members only area

rlb

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by mrowan

Richard

The hardest part of the technology is complete, the engine that runs behind the scenes. The functions will allow inspectors to list and edit their profiles with logos and head shots, access CMI information, upload reports and more. We uploaded John M. on there, just search under zip code 11111! www.masterbuildinginspector.com

I just looked up code 11111 and you have some
guy listed called SpongPatric Bob... Thats not me.
Perhaps that is your attempt to show how functional
your site will soon become.

I see the CO-OP advertising is a code word for
"Pay Michael money and get listed on his site and in his
little brochures"

BTW... you said that the deleted brochure-booklet
is still on your site. Sorry, I could not see it anywhere
on choosenachi.com

The easiest part is the front end, but the hardest as it requires text and information. The message board is being tested and I am still not sure if it is the one or not. All in good time. We will start uploading CMI’s onto the system next week and they will have back end access to other functions.

John, your old age must be getting to you as far as the accurate account of the inspectors listed on the Master Inspector booklet. It is still available on www.choosenachi.com. I also know that you take joy out of always looking for the negative side of every position. But that is ok, we are here to help.

Here are your guys I talked about
Daniel Jardine = 1.5 years
Tony Arnold = 300 inspections
(my mistake was to say a "couple" had 1 year experience...
I should have said "one had 1.5 years experience". My mistake.

My point was to show Wendy that even some of your own
inspectors are still fairly new at first glance.

[/SIZE][/FONT]

Keep trying.

[Joe Farsetta]

A CMI thread is being created on the NACHI website. It will be open to everyone, absent of permissions or moderation. You will not need to log on to read it or participate. It will be the official CMI message board site.

The requirements for inclusion as a CMI is not changing. It will remain at 1000. There may be a tweak, requiring a threshold of education and experience, but the number is NOT changing.

Educational requirements, educators, courses, qualifications, etc will also not be changing. CMI will not have a formalized test. We already have one on the shelf, created by NACHI, and another created by Gerry. Neither will be implemented.

As to co-operative marketing and business opportunities, all are free to roll their own, including Mike. However, the program as it currently exists will primarily remain intact.

This I predict. This, I'll almost guarantee.

Those who wish to participate may. Those who do not, are free to. No pressure. Eventually, there will be enough wanting the CMI designation where more and more will follow. We are seeing it every day.

Anither valuable lesson from all of this , is that it doesnt pay to try and kiss the collective *****es of members of other orgs who are jealous of NACHI (because they are) and seek to create a super-class of inspectors, real or imagined, as members of an exclusive group that they feel they deserve to belong to.

You see, by doing this, they PROVE that CMI is a valuable marketing designation. They are liars and charletans. They PRETEND that CMI doesnt matter. MAybe they'll be proven right. My money is on CMI

To the rest of it, exclusionary tactics is the road that some envisioned CMI to soon be. Not at a cost to NACHI inspectors. Over my dead body.

But again, I applaud Mike for coming up with some real opportunities for co-operative marketing. To that, bravo. Keep going. For Mike to concentrate on co-operative marketing, he realizes that CMI is a marketing designation.

To all the rest, fooey..

And...

As to privately run and controlled message boards, all I can say is that it takes great big balls to commandeer CMIs. CMIS are currently listed on www.certifiedmasterinspector.org.

The other boards are neither owned, sponsoered, nor controlled by the CMI Advisory Board. IMO, they should be ignored.

CMI, despite all efforts, will not be hijacked. Entry dues should be reasonable. Recurring charges, if any, should be super reasonable. Peer review should be limited to those seeking the CMI designation by exception.

All the rest, including the manifesto/fantasy as to the description of what a "true" CMI is is nonsensical, altruistic, and non-measureable. Pure crap.

PS: Another total load of crap is this...ASMBI.

ASMBI stands for "American Society of Master Building Inspectors". This is a creation of Mike R, as well. He claims that this org's charter is to administrate the CMI program. More bull****...

He's free to create it, but not free to administrate it.

[Richard L. Bennett]

Thank you Joe

It is time for mike to understand how the gov regulates not for profit corporations and how the board of directors controls same.

He can not do it his way and to mix for profit and personal companies with a non profit corp might even get us to lose our tax exempt status

CMI is a good thing. It is not mikes to make $'s off of.

If anything it is an area for masters to create more masters. We have to create our replacements.

Education is part of the package and it better be low $$ and high quality. Right now NACHI membership and its educational benefits are building more CMI's that mike will ever hope to. CMI is not to make $'s for anyone but CMI's

Just look at mike himself ---400 plus inspections per year for 20 plus years -- the master of masters -- This would be a real project for a peer review board.

I think mike might want to recheck his records to make sure he has everything in order for a public review

And why not have it a requirement that all review records be made public??

Anyone have thoughts on this one??

rlb

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

A CMI thread is being created on the NACHI website. It will be open to everyone, absent of permissions or moderation. You will not need to log on to read it or participate. It will be the official CMI message board site.

Sounds good to me...

But again, I applaud Mike for coming up with some real opportunities for co-operative marketing. To that, bravo. Keep going. For Mike to concentrate on co-operative marketing, he realizes that CMI is a marketing designation.

Michael Rowan has approx. 20 different logos
of various marketing ideas posted on his MAIN web site called
INSPECTIONDEPOT.COM...

I have a problem about joining the co-op advertising program
that would simply be me paying Michael Rowan so I could be
listed on his sites or brochures...

My problem is this... His main site is listed by Alexa with a
traffic rank of only 1,500,849... That tells me that all of his
sites combined do not get enough traffic in one day to
surpass what this forum gets in 6 hours.
IMHO.

I'll bet I would get more views of my web link from this forum
by accident than I would all year at Michael's pay for a
listing site or brochure.

How is my listing on a brochure, with 20 other inspectors,
going to help me, while it sits on some Realtors side office
table, when I can put my web page on Googles front page in
all the cities I service (for free)... and BUYERS can find me.
Co-op what?

I can pay for and print my own brochure and the client can
look at my company by itself without being listed by 20
other guys.
Hello?

PS: Another total load of crap is this...ASMBI.

ASMBI stands for "American Society of Master Building Inspectors". This is a creation of Mike R, as well. He claims that this org's charter is to administrate the CMI program. More bull****...

Why do I want to be called SOCIETY of anything.
CMI is already working just fine... and it's good for the U.S.
and Canada and around the world... not just in America.

Who needs ASHI? They are joining NACHI and CMI anyway.
Let'em join us... we don't have to join them.

Go NACHI... CMI...!!!

I am in agreement with Joe Fersetta's comments....
and.... I think I heard a "boom".

[David P. Valley]

Joe Farsetta has just posted the most intelligent posting on this thread.Attachment 8031


Mike ,

You stated...

We uploaded John M. on there, just search under zip code 11111! www.masterbuildinginspector.com

You have the incorrect avatar for Contact SpongePatrick Bob /See bio. Here's a better avatar for that 11111 listing.....

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

We have to start acting as ONE industry. I realize that Scumbag NAHI will never get on board, but ASHI looks like it will.

To get there we have to start somewhere and co-op marketing is a start.

I don't think that anyone would object to having "CMI" marketed, as long as each person marketing it (Rowan) is not allowed to revise the program and its criteria in order to fit his marketing plan.

[wforsyth]

Looks like now you can just take a class to be a CMI. No previous qualificaitions necessary.

US $1,050.00



SquareTrade © AP6.0

Advanced Home Inspector Training
35 Hour Certified Master Inspector Course

National Association of Certified Home Inspectors ®
Certified Master Inspector ®
The new industry standard

Orlando, Florida
January 30 - February 02 2006

This is a limited time, limited quantity offer. MSI reserves the right to cancel this offer at any time.

The Certified Master Inspector ® class in Orlando will be the first ever. This historic event will redefine and reshape the entire home inspection industry. Contact your local NACHI chapter or a NACHI CMI Board member for details.

Registration includes one year free membership in NACHI and admission to the annual convention.

Management Science Institute
Click here to visit our On-line Store for more home inspection related items
MSI International, Inc.

Management Science Institute
P.O. Box 326
Sylvania, Ohio 43560-0326

Best Inspectors Network
P.O. Box 675
Lambertville, Michigan 48144-0675

Fax 775-719-6150
200511082359
copyright 1999,2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 Clearview Services Corporation

00022
The power of protection from AOL and eBay. Learn more

[James H. Bushart]

It looks like P.T. Barnum has, yet, another clone....

If each time this program is marketed, the marketer gets to re-invent it, what will it look like when it is finished?

There should be a CMI Board endorsement required for all advertising plans to ensure consistency and compliance, IMO.

[wforsyth]

They must have permission from Nick yes?

So it looks like no, no one has to have 1000 hours, they just have to pay 1050 dollars, join NACHI, go to the 35 hours class and VOILA! They are a CMI!

Hmmm....I think money can buy anything except love.

With this, I guess it would be prudent to just skip any home inspection training and go straight for the CMI training. I guess I'd better get my financial aid going.....

Oh, and it looks like no mention of a criminal background check either. Or will they spring that on them AFTER they've already paid their $1050 and taken the class?

I'm sorry Mr.Smith. I know you sat through a really long class and convention, and you paid an exhorbitant sum of money, however, you made the mistake of getting a felony conviction when you were young and didn't know better, so we're going to have to keep your money and you won't be allowed to be a CMI.

Yeah. That probably won't go over too well.

[Richard L. Bennett]

Wendy

Where did you get the idea that only 35 hrs of education got you the CMI?

Any trade HI related education is ok. Still must = 1000 points

Your post shows that you should re read the CMI qualifications

What are you smoking?

rlb

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rbennett

Wendy

Where did you get the idea that only 35 hrs of education got you the CMI?

Any trade HI related education is ok. Still must = 1000 points

Your post shows that you should re read the CMI qualifications

What are you smoking?

rlb

We all Know Wendy jumps around gets a little information and becomes an instant expert .
She has shown many times she knows it all and does mind in the leaset to continue to tell every body how great she is.
It's seems so strange that so many pick on Wendy.
She has a few followers who do not like people picking on her and she and they will give you a bad report if you complain about her .
She just needs to be respected for her knowledge and the ability she has of showing it .
We are just so lucky Wendy is not the least bit vindictive or she would complain about those who she figures are not up to her standards.
Stay away from religion as she ???????????

[James H. Bushart]

Roy and Richard...

What do you think that this 35 hour course in Advanced DMI Training in Florida next month will provide a person who attends? Do you know anything about it?