When Chocolate City

[Kenneth Lott]

comes to be, will it be pay back time? We have already seen how Obama's associates feel about white people, he went to a racist church for 20 years. Read this and think about it, who is the hope for and what will be the change? I don't think it has anything to do with unity.

[ccurrins]

Kenneth here's the guy all you southerner's need to vote for, real change.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/splash/video/?s0618

[Kenneth Lott]

What does it have to do with Southerners, he makes more sense than anyone else running. But it will never happen. My thoughts on this have absolutely nothing to do with prejudice on my part, just the facts.

[relliott]

Ken you are sounding very racist ,and should remove this post.

I believe you are breaking forum rules and suggest you do so immediatly.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by relliott

Ken you are sounding very racist ,and should remove this post.

I believe you are breaking forum rules and suggest you do so immediately.

Bob,

I think it's fair to point out Spike Lee's "chocolate city" reference.

There are numerous examples of racism in politics. Unfortunately they proceed very often from the left.

Martin Luther King famously called for a society where color was not considered. He was right. And when Spike Lee and the goofball in New Orleans speak of "chocolate cities". I find that highly offensive.

The color of one's skin should never be a consideration for anything.

And that goes for people of color and those called "white".

[Michael L. Ivie, Jr]

Well said Michael.

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by klott

comes to be, will it be pay back time? We have already seen how Obama's associates feel about white people, he went to a racist church for 20 years. Read this and think about it, who is the hope for and what will be the change? I don't think it has anything to do with unity.

Obama says Republicans will use race to stoke fear

By Caren Bohan
Fri Jun 20, 7:19 PM ET

Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama said on Friday he expects Republicans to highlight the fact that he is black as part of an effort to make voters afraid of him.

"It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to run on their stewardship of the economy or their outstanding foreign policy," Obama told a fundraiser in Jacksonville, Florida. "We know what kind of campaign they're going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid.

"They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. And did I mention he's black?"

He said he was also set for Republicans to say "he's got a feisty wife," in trying to attack his wife Michelle.

"We know the strategy because they've already shown their cards. Ultimately I think the American people recognize that old stuff hasn't moved us forward. That old stuff just divides us," he said.

Obama, born to a white mother from Kansas and a black father from Kenya, has cast himself as a candidate who can bridge divides within the country, including those involving race.

It has been rare for him to bring up the topic during his presidential bid. In March he gave a widely praised speech on the subject after receiving criticism over racially charged comments by his longtime pastor.

Obama, who faces Republican John McCain in the November election, would be the first black U.S. president.

[Kenneth Lott]

Originally Posted by relliott

Ken you are sounding very racist ,and should remove this post.

I believe you are breaking forum rules and suggest you do so immediatly.

It only sounds like that to you, because you have racist thinking. Isn't Bob Barr black? Why don't you call me a racist when I speak well of him?

[Kenneth Lott]

Do these remarks by Obama sound racist Bob? Remember Malcom X? By any means neccessary? From Dreams of My Father:
my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when Ibegan to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiatingmyself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father :
'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.


From Dreams of My Father:
'There was somethingabout him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.

From Dreams of My Father:

'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.


From Dreams of My Father:
'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'





From Audacity of Hope:
I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

[Michael Bazzo]

Originally Posted by klott

Do these remarks by Obama sound racist Bob?

I'm not Bob, but I will say no one should be surprised to hear the race card being played by a man who use to belonged to one of the largest black racist churches in the nation. it seems that after separating himself in an attempt to remove the dark cloud that hung over his head has proven to be nothing more than a smoke screen to gain votes. Obummers comments should be seen by American voters as his true self, change is a hard thing indeed

[Kenneth Lott]

Why would anyone think he would do anything different than to blame all his critics as being racist, it is not the fact that he is black that concerns me, it is his own statements and his friends statements. Racism is not just something that is perpetuated by white people. But one thing I know is, it does not belong in the leadership of this country.

[Kenneth Lott]

There will be change! By any means necessary! X

[Michael Bazzo]

That's the reason he dumped reverend Wright, to distance himself from a known racist. then he's gotta go play the race card, just like he was taught. wanna lose alotta white votes, play the race card, Caucasians are sick and tired of that old song.

[ccurrins]

Originally Posted by klott

What does it have to do with Southerners, he makes more sense than anyone else running. But it will never happen. My thoughts on this have absolutely nothing to do with prejudice on my part, just the facts. Isn't Bob Barr black?

Because he's from Georgia and the majority of the south isn't to happy with McSame. He doesn't look to black to me, but there's a chance he has some in him.

[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

Originally Posted by klott

Do these remarks by Obama sound racist Bob? Remember Malcom X? By any means neccessary? From Dreams of My Father:
my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when Ibegan to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. xv]: When people
who don't know me well, black or white, discover my background (and it
is usually a discovery, for I ceased to advertise my mother's race at
the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing
so I was ingratiating myself to whites), I see the split-second
adjustments they have to make, the searching of my eyes for some
telltale sign. They no longer know who I am. Privately, they guess at
my troubled heart, I suppose - the mixed blood, the divided soul, the
ghostly image of the tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds. And if
I were to explain that no, the tragedy is not mine, or at least not
mine alone, it is yours, sons and daughters of Plymouth Rock and Ellis
Island, it is yours, children of Africa, it is the tragedy of both my
wife's six-year-old cousin and his white first grade classmates, so
that you need not guess at what troubles me, it's on the nightly news
for all to see, and that if we could acknowledge at least that much
then the tragic cycle begins to break down...well, I suspect that I
sound incurably naive, wedded to lost hopes, like those Communists who
peddle their newspapers on the fringes of various college towns. Or
worse, I sound like I'm trying to hide from myself.

On its own, the quote can be interpreted as Obama rejecting his white
heritage and, by extension, the entire white population. But, in full
context, the statement is part of Obama's assessment of "black or
white" individuals' first impressions of him as a person of mixed
race.


From Dreams of My Father :
'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.

The popular urban legends reference site Snopes.com comes to the same conclusion. Snopes also notes that a similar quote does appear in an unfavorable review of "Dreams from My Father" that was published in
the March 2007 issue of The American Conservative. But the words are
those of the reviewer, Steve Sailer, not Obama.

Steve Sailer: He inherited his father?s penetrating intelligence;
was raised mostly by his loving liberal white grandparents in
multiracial, laid-back Hawaii, where America?s normal race rules never
applied; and received a superb private school education. And yet, at
least through age 33 when he wrote Dreams from My Father, he found
solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against
his mother?s race.


From Dreams of My Father:
'There was somethingabout him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pgs. 141-142]: Now he was
trying to pull urban blacks and suburban whites together around a plan
to save manufacturing jobs in metropolitan Chicago. He needed somebody
to work with him, he said. Somebody black. ...

He offered to start me off at ten thousand dollars the first year,
with a two-thousand-dollar travel allowance to buy a car; the salary
would go up if things worked out. After he was gone, I took the long
way home, along the East River promenade, and tried to figure out what
to make of the man. He was smart, I decided. He seemed committed to
his work. Still, there was something about him that made me wary. A
little too sure of himself, maybe. And white - he'd said himself that
that was a problem.

The e-mail's edited quote makes it appear as if Obama is left with an
unfavorable opinion of someone based on race. The full quote shows
that Obama's mention of Marty Kaufman's race is made only after
Kaufman raises it as a potential problem in light of his consideration
to hire Obama for a job on a community organizing drive.

Obama took the job. "Kaufman" is actually a pseudonym. Obama told
Chicago Sun-Times reporter Lynn Sweet that the man's real name was
Gerald Kellman, who was Obama's boss at his first job in Chicago as a
community organizer at the Calumet Community Religious Conference.
Obama worked for him for three years before going on to law school.
Kellman has said of Obama: "One of the remarkable things is how well
he listens to people who are opposed to him."

From Dreams of My Father:

'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 100-101]: To avoid
being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more
politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos.
The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock
performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At
night, in the dorms, we discussed necolonialism, Franz Fanon,
Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the
hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to
shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. We
weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated. But
this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce
or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus
radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated. No, it
remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your
loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.

On its own, the quote makes Obama appear racially militant. Whereas,
in full context, the quote illustrates Obama's confusion over his race
and cultural heritage. This is emphasized in the preceding paragraph,
where Obama describes himself as someone compensating for insecurity
in his "racial credentials."


From Dreams of My Father:
'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 220]: Yes, I'd seen
weakness in other men - Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his
compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I
might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates
didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man,
son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself,
the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later
I saw that the black men I knew - Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq - fell
short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men
for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own - my
father's voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring,
rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard
enough, Barry. You must help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black
man!

The e-mail cuts out important words, changing the quote's meaning.
Gone is the notion that he "might love" white or brown men. Gone also
is that Obama was speaking not of white or brown men generally, but
specifically about "these men," his white, maternal grandfather
Stanley Dunham and his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro. The
doctored quote makes it appear as though Obama said he would never
emulate any white or brown man, based on their race.

Gone as well is Obama's admission that his black friends sometimes
"fell short of [the] lofty standards" of black role models like Martin
Luther King and Nelson Mandela.






From Audacity of Hope:
I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'


Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not
all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy
pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani
Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of
detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have
shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded
that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly;
they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means
something, that America has learned the right lessons from the
Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with
them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

Obama did not say he would side with "the Muslims," which could easily
be read as meaning he would side with the world's Muslim population
even if it meant working outside the best interests of the United
States. He said he would side with "them," referring back to his
mention of immigrant communities and specifically to "Arab and
Pakistani Americans." Furthermore, he was speaking of an "ugly
direction" like the mass internment of Japanese Americans.

Ken,

Don't just believe the emails and posts you receive and then just repost them as if they are the truth. Do yourself a favor and look them up. It doesn't take long. Ever notice that the original quotes never have a page number? That is so they can cut and paste and take things out of context. In the terminology of the day it is called swiftboating.