Coming soon: SOP for inspecting fireplaces and chimneys.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

No one has announced a revision to the NACHI SOP.

What has been announced is an SOP for chimney inspections.

So....an inspector who substantially complies with "the NACHI SOP" will comply with which of the two SOPs referencing chimneys and fireplaces? I'll bet that there are some E&O carriers who will want to know, as well.

This is why we have an ESOP Committee...to review such proposals and address these issues before they are announced. Nick should not be announcing any kind of SOP that has not been coordinated with the ESOP Committee.

[Michael Larson]

James, you are putting the cart before the horse.

Some patience is in order.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

James, you are putting the cart before the horse.

Some patience is in order.

No I am not.

Announcing an SOP that was not put before the ESOP Committee, first, is putting "the cart before the horse".

NACHI now has two conflicting published "standards" on chimney inspections and the public is left to guess which will be applied in a standard inspection.

You should be aggressively addressing....not defending...the usurping of your committee, Mike.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

No I am not.

Announcing an SOP that was not put before the ESOP Committee, first, is putting "the cart before the horse".

NACHI now has two conflicting published "standards" on chimney inspections and the public is left to guess which will be applied in a standard inspection.

You should be aggressively addressing....not defending...the usurping of your committee, Mike.

Did the comsop go before the ESOP?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Did the comsop go before the ESOP?

COMSOP is a separate money making enterprise for Nick that is not a part of NACHI. Accordingly, it did not.

It has separate rules and procedures. For example, inspectors who do not use Nick's commercial SOP will not receive any job assignments. Nick has the right to do this, unilaterally, for it is Nick's separate enterprise. Not NACHI's.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

COMSOP is a separate money making enterprise for Nick that is not a part of NACHI. Accordingly, it did not.

And since you have no idea what the chimney sop is about, you are forced to make assumptions to support your contention that the NACHI SOP has been changed.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

And since you have no idea what the chimney sop is about, you are forced to make assumptions to support your contention that the NACHI SOP has been changed.

And you conveniently believe that a new, separate chimney and fireplace SOP will be announced this weekend...that exactly duplicates the one already in practice?

The ESOP Committee should review and approve this before it is announced.

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

I want to know the suggested method for inspecting gas logs with the little push button ignitors that never seem to work. You guys bother trying to light those? Do you use a portable ignitor at all on gas logs?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

And you conveniently believe that a new, separate chimney and fireplace SOP will be announced this weekend...that exactly duplicates the one already in practice?

The ESOP Committee should review and approve this before it is announced.

I don't "believe" anything except you pulling the trigger on what may turn out to be a non issue.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

I don't "believe" anything except you pulling the trigger on what may turn out to be a non issue.

Well...I suppose the "issue" of having conflicting "standards" posted for insurance carriers and clients to guess as to which are being applied does not measure up to the more important issues in threads concerning prayer in schools, Obama's plans to rape all the white women, the religious preferences of dead politicians, and other such foolishness...but it still needs to be addressed.

Again, an SOP (new or revised) needs to be coordinated with the ESOP Committee prior to its being announced to the public. For example, perhaps what Nick is announcing is NOT so much an SOP but a "suggested method" for inspecting fireplaces and chimneys. In this case, the ESOP Committee could recommend that it not be called an "SOP".

[Gary Farnsworth]

My interview is outside the home inspection industry. How can I compete when there is no business? No business, no income. I have to do what I have to do. The largest real estate agency in Kansas no longer recommends home inspections. "coming soon" SOP for chimneys and fireplaces". I thought that was already established. Inspectors in Kansas know what is going on, and is coming. We are informing you guys in other states. That is what this message board is for. Be ready to pay for the courses, videos, CE, and to up date your reports, and SOP's. Dr. Swift is there to advise Nick. Notice that he has yet to respond. If you inspect pilot lights on fireplace log sets, hot water heaters and furnaces that are excluded from the current SOP's, then be ready to explain it in court. As stated earlier in the year, look for inspection reports that are dozens, if not hundreds of pages in length. Attorneys will love it.

[Michael Larson]

This is all wild speculation at this point.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

This is all wild speculation at this point.

...I think the speculation on your part, that the second SOP will be exactly the same as the first, is more "wild" than mine.

Again, the ESOP Committee should be involved and there should be no announced "new SOPs" that they have not first had the opportunity to review and discuss prior to implementation.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

...I think the speculation on your part, that the second SOP will be exactly the same as the first, is more "wild" than mine.

Again, the ESOP Committee should be involved and there should be no announced "new SOPs" that they have not first had the opportunity to review and discuss prior to implementation.

Jim. please don't put words in my mouth.

That was your presumption.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Jim. please don't put words in my mouth.

That was your presumption.

These are your words...

And since you have no idea what the chimney sop is about, you are forced to make assumptions to support your contention that the NACHI SOP has been changed.

Are you not arguing, here, that the "Chimney SOP" could possibly mirror the "NACHI SOP"?

Read the SOP, Mike. You will find 10 seperate systems being inspected and under each, the individual actions are divided as "The Inspector Will..." and "The Inspector is Not Required To....".

We are about to receive a new SOP that covers chimneys and fireplaces. One can only assume that there will be additional "The Inspector will" (for, without this, there would be no new SOP)...and each addition will increase his liability if he advertises his compliance with the NACHI SOP.

Nothing in that regard should ever be done without the full review of the ESOP Committee. As its newest member, you should be demanding this, as well.