COMPREHENSIVE Green Building Course: Table of Contents

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by wdecker

Excuse me, as someone who has done science and research and is published, these reports are more government fiat than scientific studies.

The IPCC reports are produced primarily for politicians and we are seeing more and more of the garbage they have in store for us.

[Kenton H. Shepard, CMI]

Trying to figure out what was true and real was most of the battle in researching this course, especially in climate change. That and the non-renewable energy section. They drove me crazy! I spent weeks and weeks on them. I could have spent months on them alone. People spend their lives working on this stuff.
I found various CO2 charts with various numbers and I had finally to pick one. Know a better one? Send me the link... please!

As far as the term "pollution", I use it loosely. If it's in the air and it's bad, to me it's pollution. Is CO2 a crucial part of the global environment? Sure it is! We wouldn't be here without it. Is putting 30 billion tons of it a year into the air, year after year, going to have an effect? That possibility doesn't seem outlandish to me.

I'm not on or off the climate-change bandwagon. I included a Natural Climate Change section because climate on earth does change naturally and people seem to forget that. It's about "climate" not "weather". They seem to forget that. I've got links at the end of that Climate Change section to a website by scientists who are not on the climate change bandwagon. (Climate Science)

I think to make a really informed decision on climate change requires reading the scientific studies and reports from a number of sources. Most of the mass media is corporate-owned and their concern is their bottom line, not the truth. It takes work to get past the bull***** and find the beef and most people aren't concerned enough to do it. Then again you have to have a good enough background to recognise it when you see it.

I'm open to suggestions for sources of good, hard information such as studies and reports. During research and writing I didnt have time to actually look at individual IPCC reports. I looked at a couple tonight and was impressed not so much with the report content (randomly picked, links below) but with the credentials. Then again, I'm not a scientist.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/289/5487/2068#RF5

http://folk.uio.no/gunnarmy/paper/sausen_mz05.pdf

[Michael Larson]

icecap.us/index.php/go/faqs-and-myths

http://CO2Science.com

http:// Junkscience.com

http://www.realclimate.org/

[Kenton H. Shepard, CMI]

Originally Posted by wdecker

Nope. Just some journals and the U.N. IPCC report. If you look at the UN report, you will see that most of the confrence members were not scientists, but politicians and other various hangers on.

Excuse me, as someone who has done science and research and is published, these reports are more government fiat than scientific studies.

What's important are the qualifications of the people and organizations who performed the studies and created the report. They were not "politicians and other various hangers". Information about the members of the three working goups and task force who did the reasearch and assembled the report is available here. What's important is the content, not the audience.
Actually here's a list of the authors from Working Group I.

here's a bio of one of the authors...

DR. MICHAEL PRATHER (Earth System Science, University of California, Irvine). Dr. Prather works in the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research on global science and environmental issues, providing a link between the intelligence community and the policy bureaus. He has initiated and drafted assessments of the current state of knowledge on hurricanes, illegal logging, and climate change. In addition to his own scientific expertise in earth and environmental science, he has provided a link to university colleagues in emerging technologies such as genetic engineering. Dr. Prather will travel to the environmental hub offices in the embassies of Costa Rica and Brazil to work with the regional science and technology officers. He is planning a summer conference on the role of disaster risk management in a world of changing climate.

[Michael Larson]

Kenton, IMHO if the content is influenced by an agenda it ia already suspect. There have been real scientists who were sited in the IPCC report that have asked their name to be remove. Than should give one pause.

[Kenton H. Shepard, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Kenton, IMHO if the content is influenced by an agenda it ia already suspect. There have been real scientists who were sited in the IPCC report that have asked their name to be removed. Than should give one pause.

I have spent more time pausing in the last six months, believe me... I agree, agendas are everywhere. I've tried to make sure that information in the course is accurate. Who has asked that their names be removed from the IPCC report, Michael?

...and anyway, it's not a Climate Change course. I think it was pretty brave of me to put that in there at all! I knew I was going to be corrected.
Check out the PV system section (lets change the subject). Nobody's gonna complain about that! And nobody has passed the course yet, although three have tried and failed. Gotta study! This ain't no fluff course!

[Marcel R. Cyr]

From Michael's link.

The debate over the environmental consequences of the ongoing rise in the air's CO2 content continues as intensely as ever. With climate alarmists flooding popular media outlets with unrealistic horror stories of what the future will bring, the populace of the planet is getting a warped perspective of the issue.

Wonder if that is what he meant to say?

Marcel

[William J. Decker]

Kenton, please understand:

1) You did one HECK of a job on this. No slam and greatest praises. NACHI is in your debt.

2) I used to do research (Physics, Nuclear Medicine, ran the cyclotron, etc) at the U of C. I know real scientific work when I see it. Must be peer reviewed and verified by others.

3) This Global Warming stuff is not. It is mainly a political thing, along with money (believe it or not) from companies (GE, Keer-McGee, General Dynamics, Hughes and others) to suck on the government teat and get money. It is all aimed as setting up a global market in carbon credit trading.

And do you know who owns a majority of the carbon trading company?

Mr. Albert Gore.

Nuff said.

[Nick Gromicko]

It's our best course to date... but wait... Kenton working on a log home inspection course for us.

[Kenton H. Shepard, CMI]

Originally Posted by wdecker

Kenton, please understand:

1) You did one HECK of a job on this. No slam and greatest praises. NACHI is in your debt.

2) I used to do research (Physics, Nuclear Medicine, ran the cyclotron, etc) at the U of C. I know real scientific work when I see it. Must be peer reviewed and verified by others.

3) This Global Warming stuff is not. It is mainly a political thing, along with money (believe it or not) from companies (GE, Keer-McGee, General Dynamics, Hughes and others) to suck on the government teat and get money. It is all aimed as setting up a global market in carbon credit trading.

And do you know who owns a majority of the carbon trading company?

Mr. Albert Gore.

Nuff said.

Thank you, Will. I don't discount, disbelieve or dismiss what you're saying.

[David Delzeith]

Mr Shepard
I just finished your course and passed 96 out of 100!! It took me 9.5 hours to go through the material (my head hurts). The final exam only took me 40 min.
I found it informative and engrossing, a lot of information. Thank You

[Michael Larson]

Kenton, I want you to know how much I appreciate your course on green building. I will be taking it soon. Didn't mean to steal the thread. My apologies. The whole global warming thing is sore spot with me. It has been evident for while now that green building techniques will be in all of our futures. We will have to continue to learn to stay ahead of our future customers who likely will be more desirous of this type of building. Thanks again.

[Nick Gromicko]

Kenton, in case I don't say it enough.... Thanks. Just finished it. Wow!

[Kenton H. Shepard, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Kenton, I want you to know how much I appreciate your course on green building. I will be taking it soon. Didn't mean to steal the thread. My apologies. The whole global warming thing is sore spot with me. It has been evident for while now that green building techniques will be in all of our futures. We will have to continue to learn to stay ahead of our future customers who likely will be more desirous of this type of building. Thanks again.

Thanks Michael. It's good to have an open forum and you have every right to express your opinion. I've learned from your posts and appreciate the time you take to participate in the message boards.

[William J. Decker]

Another take on Global Warming:

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....2/1007/OPINION