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[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by sstanczyk

Wrong? Why would anyone wanting to cross from Canada into the US with some sort of attack related equipment or articles take the chance to cross at a border crossing, manned or unmanned? That would be stupid. Why not just put it on a boat anywhere above Lake Roosevelt in Canada and boat it, undisturbed, all the way to the Grand Coulee Dam? With dozens and dozens of unmonitored boat ramps all the way. This is the same in numerous large lakes and rivers that cross between the two countries, not to mention the back roads that cross the border from sea to sea without a Mountie or Border Patrol anywhere around.

Do you really think that with the planning that took place for the 9/11 attacks, any terrorist group would not spend a little time doing some research on how to cross the border? Like they really need CNN.

Hell I would probably just hide my device in a couple of tons of cocaine.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by sstanczyk

Wrong? Why would anyone wanting to cross from Canada into the US with some sort of attack related equipment or articles take the chance to cross at a border crossing, manned or unmanned? That would be stupid. Why not just put it on a boat anywhere above Lake Roosevelt in Canada and boat it, undisturbed, all the way to the Grand Coulee Dam? With dozens and dozens of unmonitored boat ramps all the way. This is the same in numerous large lakes and rivers that cross between the two countries, not to mention the back roads that cross the border from sea to sea without a Mountie or Border Patrol anywhere around.

Do you really think that with the planning that took place for the 9/11 attacks, any terrorist group would not spend a little time doing some research on how to cross the border? Like they really need CNN.

Have you ever heard of a dirty bomb? Suitcase? Cell? Candybar?

No, we don't have much to fear from boats, tanks, etc. It's the one or two single people walking through unmonitored areas just like that one that CNN gave away (and yes, we don't need the locations disclosed, maybe they don't know all of them. Why take chances?) and setting off a dirty bomb that could take out a football stadium or larger chunk out of a city and contaminate an even larger area with radiation.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by sstanczyk

Wrong? Why would anyone wanting to cross from Canada into the US with some sort of attack related equipment or articles take the chance to cross at a border crossing, manned or unmanned? That would be stupid. Why not just put it on a boat anywhere above Lake Roosevelt in Canada and boat it, undisturbed, all the way to the Grand Coulee Dam? With dozens and dozens of unmonitored boat ramps all the way. This is the same in numerous large lakes and rivers that cross between the two countries, not to mention the back roads that cross the border from sea to sea without a Mountie or Border Patrol anywhere around.

Do you really think that with the planning that took place for the 9/11 attacks, any terrorist group would not spend a little time doing some research on how to cross the border? Like they really need CNN.

Have you ever heard of a dirty bomb? Suitcase? Cell? Candybar?

No, we don't have much to fear from boats, tanks, etc. It's the one or two single people walking through unmonitored areas just like that one that CNN gave away (and yes, we don't need the locations disclosed, maybe they don't know all of them. Why take chances?) and setting off a dirty bomb that could take out a football stadium or larger chunk out of a city and contaminate an even larger area with radiation.

[Gerald C. Wilcox]

Right on Stan, I don't understand those that think that travel between countries must happen on a highway. Certainly we should tighten up border security. But like in all our attempts to secure our home, cities, etc, they are basically designed to keep honest people honest. Generally I quess those who would attempt such alternative schemes would think a little outside of the box. Why does that surprize some?

[klott]

Sure there are hundreds of ways to get in the country undetected, but why make it easy for them, we cannot expect uncle sam to do it all, it is a group effort. We are uncle sam, we need to watch the boat ramps, shipping containers, dirt roads, game trials, airstrips and anything else that can be thought of. If we wait for another 911 to figure out how we can be hit, it will be too late again. Border control is defense, the war is offense, it takes both to win and remain safe. Do your part people, do your part!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by klott

Sure there are hundreds of ways to get in the country undetected, but why make it easy for them, we cannot expect uncle sam to do it all, it is a group effort. We are uncle sam, we need to watch the boat ramps, shipping containers, dirt roads, game trials, airstrips and anything else that can be thought of. If we wait for another 911 to figure out how we can be hit, it will be too late again. Border control is defense, the war is offense, it takes both to win and remain safe. Do your part people, do your part!

Our both countries have only so much money , What would you like discontinued from spending to spend more on some thing else .
The well is only so deep.

[Michael Larson]

COST to build a 700 mi. border fence less than you might think.

Source

Q: How much would extending the fence cost?
There's no official government estimate of how much it would cost to build a 700-mile-long border fence. Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA), the main backer of the fence plan, has been quoted as estimating the project would cost about $2.2 billion. That's roughly $3 million per mile. But Sean Garcia, an expert on fencing with the Latin American Working Group, says the costs are likely to be much higher. Garcia notes that Hunter severely underestimated the cost of the San Diego fence, which is the model for the larger fence. Hunter said the San Diego fence would cost $14 million, or about $1 million a mile. The first 11 miles of the fence actually cost $42 million, or $3.8 million per mile, Garcia says; the last 3.5 miles may cost several times that much because they cover more difficult terrain. And that's just the cost for building materials. Labor, surveillance cameras, sensors, lighting and road construction are not included. Plus, there are the potential costs of fighting any lawsuits that may crop up, and of buying land from private landowners.
Q: Who are the main backers of plans to extend the border fence?
Members of the House Immigration Reform Caucus -- roughly 90 members of Congress support the House proposal. An organization called "We Need Fences" also supports the 700-mile fence. In the Senate, the Judiciary Committee voted 12-6 to send its fence proposal to the floor. The 12 voting for the proposal included Republican John McCain (R-AZ) and Democrat Ted Kennedy (D-MA). The Border Patrol and Department of Homeland Security are asking for more fencing, as well as "virtual fencing," to block both immigrants and potential terrorists.
Q: Who is opposing the plan? What's the thrust of their criticisms?
Critics say security is a specious argument for building a border fence. They wonder why the same barriers aren't being suggested for the Canadian border, where potential terrorists have actually been caught. They say barriers help curb illegal immigration only where they are put, because people find ways around them. Environmentalists also note that extending security infrastructure into the Arizona desert will imperil fragile ecosystems. The Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge and Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument have been damaged by both illegal immigrants and Border Patrol vehicles. Impenetrable fencing, critics say, also blocks migration paths for mountain lions, coyotes, deer and other wildlife. And American Indian tribes in the region worry that the fence will prevent their people from crossing the border as they have traditionally done.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Then in Canada there is 4,000 ~ miles of land and another 2,000~ of water .
Sure will take a lot of man power and time to fix this ..... Cookie
Also please do not forget if the USA isolates its self from Canada how about all the oil and Natural Gas you get from us.
I think we both need each other big time.

[relliott]

Canada d
oes not need a fence as it can be thought of as an extended border.
How well would another China wall work?
We can never be sucessful with that type of security.
Perhaps if we did not jump into Dick Chaney's favorite place the world would have not turned against us.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by relliott

Canada d
oes not need a fence as it can be thought of as an extended border.
How well would another China wall work?
We can never be sucessful with that type of security.
Perhaps if we did not jump into Dick Chaney's favorite place the world would have not turned against us.

OH! I do not think the world has turned agains us it is just a few jealous religious fanatical associations.

[klott]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Then in Canada there is 4,000 ~ miles of land and another 2,000~ of water .
Sure will take a lot of man power and time to fix this ..... Cookie
Also please do not forget if the USA isolates its self from Canada how about all the oil and Natural Gas you get from us.
I think we both need each other big time.

What is all this talk about fences and isolation, i don't want either neither does the President, that's what this war is all about, remaining a free society without having to live in fear of fanatics with bombs who want to impose their beliefs on us and free peoples the world over. Who said anything about isolating Canada Roy, Canada is in this fight also, just the other day some of your troops were killed in Afghanistan fighting for the same reason we are. The point I have been trying to make is: what good is it to have maximum security at a main border crossing only to have none at a remote location. If you were a terrorist where would you try to sneak in a weapon of mass destruction? A well secured border checkpoint or one with no security at all? How much money would it cost if New York city was rendered a desolate wasteland because of radiation? Could we replace Dallas or L.A. with a trillion dollars? Yes we have lost over 3500 troops in this war, a terrible loss of life, but how many would die at a superbowl game if someone set off a backpack nuke? I will tell you what I tell everybody, do like I did and go to Barnes and Noble, buy a koran and read it, then you might just see that we cannot afford to not fight this war. read the book and notice how & where mohammed got started as being a so called prophet from god, look what happened after he did, look at how he used emotions to stir people up, notice the way he took parts of judaism and christianity to form a new religion. I get sick of hearing people say that christians started all of this trouble during the crusades. The truth is the muslims sacked Jerusalem, they ran over the jews and christians, they took the center of worship for there own agenda and killed anyone who did not worship the way they dictated.The crusades were a rescue mission to restore the birthplace of worship. The crusades were meant to stop islam in its tracks before it ran over the whole world. The muslims hi-jacked the temple mount that Solomon built as a temple to worship God as instructed by God himself. The muslims added to that by hi-jacking the ascension of Jesus by claiming that mohammed ascended from the very spot in the same way Jesus did. If you really want to see the truth go to the book store and get a Torah, a New Testiment and a Koran. If you really want to know what is happening now in the world go read the old testament, just from a historic point of view(I'm not trying to convert anybody here) and it will blow your mind when you see that everything that was predicted then is being played out before your eyes, I dare you too. This is not an attempt to recruit you to my beliefs, I have said all of this to get you to understand what is happening. Does the fact that osama bin laden is doing exactly what mohammed did make you wonder at all? Read the koran and it will become clear. Do you wonder what Irans leader is really up to? Read the koran and it will become clear. Do you really know what the muslims want? Again read the koran. Finaly one last question for you is which book would you believe is true, the first book (the Torah-old testament) which told 15oo years before what was going to happen in the 1st and 2nd books, the second book (the Bible or new testament) which was a fullfillment of the 1st book and told what would happen as a result of the 3rd book and beyond or the third book ( the koran- written 600 years after the 2nd book) which tooks parts of the 1st and 2nd books, and added what an eleven year old boy in a cave claims God told him to write in dreams? If after you read these books you happen to believe the 3rd one, then I have to ask why aren't you following David Koresh or Louis Farrakhan, they had dreams also.

[wforsyth]

Oh my God. Now the Muslims are jealous?! Everyone who disagrees is jealous? What's with this jealous word?

[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

Come on now. We have to make everyone happy. How about this?

Wendy, Once again, why would someone go through even an unmanned checkpoint that could be having repairs done, when they can walk a mile to the side and cross, undetected? Or use their boat to look like fishermen out trolling?

As for the 700 mile fence, isn't there an end? Wouldn't someone just go the the end and walk around? What a waste of money.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by sstanczyk

Come on now. We have to make everyone happy. How about this?

Wendy, Once again, why would someone go through even an unmanned checkpoint that could be having repairs done, when they can walk a mile to the side and cross, undetected? Or use their boat to look like fishermen out trolling?

As for the 700 mile fence, isn't there an end? Wouldn't someone just go the the end and walk around? What a waste of money.

No, because I assume those areas are manned.

The end, I would think, would be manned.

[Emmanuel J. Scanlan]

Originally Posted by klott

emmanuel have you ever read the koran? i have. if you say no then go read the koran and get back to me and i will talk to you about it.

Kenneth,

Kenneth Lott wrote in Post #23

i personally believe these attacks will continue until we put aside our fears of how the world feels about us, quit trying to be politically correct and last but not least stop woorying about collateral damage by killing innocent civilians.

If you have read the Koran as you claim then you should be well aware that the Koran does not advocate the killing of innocent people under any circumstance. Yet in your previous post (#29 ) you pride yourself in the claim you have read it. In post #23 you advocate the decimation of innocent people.

The questions I posed to you in previous posts, and my previous posts have nothing to do with the Koran. Why are you fixated on the Koran and the Muslim religion/Muslim people? All of your comments appear to indicate that you have an intense hatred for those of the Muslim faith. Is that true?

Would you care to answer the questions I posed or would you like to drift into some other ploy in an attempt to avoid them?