InterNACHI


Go Back   InterNACHI Inspection Forum > General Inspection Topics > Miscellaneous Discussion for Inspectors

Notices

Miscellaneous Discussion for Inspectors Discuss whatever you wish in this forum.

 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 2/19/09, 12:19 PM
Nick Gromicko's Avatar
Nick Gromicko Nick Gromicko is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 30,608
Default Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

Your local bank probably sold your loan, it got repackaged, sold again, repackaged and sold again and again and again.

There is a good chance that the bank that has your loan, doesn't have the paper trail to prove it.

The recorder's office only keeps the original loan docs.



Nick Gromicko, Certified Master Inspector

Find a Home Inspector
"Just as iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another." Proverbs 27:17

Last edited by gromicko; 2/19/09 at 12:24 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 2/19/09, 12:48 PM
iniquette's Avatar
iniquette iniquette is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Markesan, WI
Posts: 1,795
Send a message via ICQ to iniquette
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

So should I sent out the mortgage payment or not this month?



Ian Niquette
Square One Home Inspection
Markesan WI 53946
www.squareonehomeinspection.com
Active Rain Network
INACHI Awards Portal
Want To Exchange Links?



What we've got here is......failure......to communicate.....
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 2/19/09, 12:51 PM
Bobby Hamilton's Avatar
Bobby Hamilton Bobby Hamilton is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Austintown, OH
Posts: 1,246
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by iniquette View Post
So should I sent out the mortgage payment or not this month?
Depends on how long you want to live there



Bobby Hamilton
Bloodhound Home Inspection Services
Youngstown Home Inspection
Austintown Ohio Home Inspection


Providing home inspections, state licensed termite inspections and radon testing in Youngstown, Boardman, Canfield, Poland, Howland, Warren and surrounding Northeast Ohio areas.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 2/19/09, 12:56 PM
Keith Runquist, CMI Keith Runquist, CMI is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Rapid City, SD
Posts: 604
Send a message via AIM to krunquist
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

I don't have a mortgage. I paid my house off. Can I still get a check from Obama or did I screw up?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 2/19/09, 2:54 PM
dgagneur's Avatar
dgagneur dgagneur is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Alpena, MI
Posts: 444
Please Note: dgagneur is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by krunquist View Post
I don't have a mortgage. I paid my house off. Can I still get a check from Obama or did I screw up?
I hope you kept a copy of the payoff notice!! You never know when you're going to have to prove you OWN it already!!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 2/19/09, 3:03 PM
Dave Bush's Avatar
Dave Bush Dave Bush is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Joplin, MO
Posts: 185
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

You gonna back me up with the courts when the bank comes knocking for payment and eviction? Somehow I don't think so.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 2/19/09, 6:54 PM
Nick Gromicko's Avatar
Nick Gromicko Nick Gromicko is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 30,608
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

The bank won't come knocking. At the foreclosure proceeding ask the Judge to make them prove they have the mortgage on your home. There is a good chance that they can't produce the docs.



Nick Gromicko, Certified Master Inspector

Find a Home Inspector
"Just as iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another." Proverbs 27:17
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 2/19/09, 6:56 PM
kpierce's Avatar
kpierce kpierce is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Orting, WA
Posts: 4,609
Please Note: kpierce is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gromicko View Post
The bank won't come knocking. At the foreclosure proceeding ask the Judge to make them prove they have the mortgage on your home. There is a good chance that they can't produce the docs.
Apparently, it will just buy time. They have other means for proof.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 2/19/09, 7:28 PM
mnahrgang's Avatar
mnahrgang mnahrgang is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Springfield, OH
Posts: 5,799
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gromicko View Post
The bank won't come knocking. At the foreclosure proceeding ask the Judge to make them prove they have the mortgage on your home. There is a good chance that they can't produce the docs.
Some states, like Missouri, don't have foreclosure proceedings. They send you a couple of notices, post the foreclosure sale in the paper, and sell your house. Only thing that can stop it is either pay the bank or file bankruptcy. Bankruptcy only postpones it until the bankruptcy judge tells the bank that they can proceed with the sale.



Mark Nahrgang
www.DaytonSpringfieldHomeInspector.com
www.HeyMark.info

Home Inspections for Springfield, Dayton, and surrounding OH areas.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 2/19/09, 8:07 PM
Joe Farsetta's Avatar
Joe Farsetta Joe Farsetta is offline
ESOP Committee Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Pearl River, NY
Posts: 4,115
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

It may not matter who owns the loan, as they have given the servicing company the authority to collect on their behalf.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 2/19/09, 8:46 PM
Nick Gromicko's Avatar
Nick Gromicko Nick Gromicko is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 30,608
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

I don't see how you can have a foreclosure without a court order in MO. A sheriff can't act on a newspaper notice.



Nick Gromicko, Certified Master Inspector

Find a Home Inspector
"Just as iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another." Proverbs 27:17
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 2/19/09, 8:50 PM
mnahrgang's Avatar
mnahrgang mnahrgang is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Springfield, OH
Posts: 5,799
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gromicko View Post
I don't see how you can have a foreclosure without a court order in MO. A sheriff can't act on a newspaper notice.
It's all part of the law. It's clearly defined, and the sheriff doesn't have anything to do with it. (Of course the sheriff may need to get involved if the home owner doesn't move out. Then there is an eviction by court order after the fact.)



Mark Nahrgang
www.DaytonSpringfieldHomeInspector.com
www.HeyMark.info

Home Inspections for Springfield, Dayton, and surrounding OH areas.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 2/19/09, 8:54 PM
Michael R. Boyett's Avatar
Michael R. Boyett Michael R. Boyett is online now
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 4,749
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gromicko View Post
I don't see how you can have a foreclosure without a court order in MO. A sheriff can't act on a newspaper notice.
See http://www.foreclosure.com/statelaw_MO.html



Excellence in Inspections
Mike Boyett, TREC #7290
mikeb@capcityinspections.com
Capital City Inspections
Austin, Texas
(512) 577-2579

Company blog is: www.capcityinspections.com/blog
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 2/19/09, 9:24 PM
John McKenna's Avatar
John McKenna John McKenna is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Crockett, Tx
Posts: 12,301
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

Nick,

Do you have an example of one person who pulled this off and it worked?



John McKenna, CMI (TREC #4565)
Executive Director - Master Inspector Certification Board
25 Yrs Constr Exp - 13 Yrs Home Inspector Exp
American Home Inspection - East Texas.

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 2/19/09, 9:34 PM
kpierce's Avatar
kpierce kpierce is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Orting, WA
Posts: 4,609
Please Note: kpierce is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: Don't pay your mortgage. Make the bank produce the paper trail. They can't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmckenna1 View Post
Nick,

Do you have an example of one person who pulled this off and it worked?
He probably just read this article.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Subprime `Liar Loans' Fuel Housing Bust With $1 Billion Fraud jburkeson1 Miscellaneous Discussion for Inspectors 0 4/25/07 10:08 AM
Subprime Titanic Hits Iceberg: Wall Street Abandons Ship jburkeson1 Miscellaneous Discussion for Inspectors 10 3/5/07 7:15 PM
CMHC does not check for what is best rcooke Canadian Inspectors 2 9/2/06 3:59 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 6:44 AM.


Popular Sections

:

All Sections

Inspection News

InterNACHI Membership

Inspection Standards

Inspection Education

InterNACHI Inspectors

Inspection Links

 

 

 

NACHI.ORG Statistics

 

 

no new posts