East Coast Inspectors needed for Draw Inspections ASAP

[bskinner]

East Coast Inspectors...2/15/08 4:53 AMBobby, you are a total and complete idiot!
Guess who this was, Frank M. Carrio.

New Hampshire must be proud since your the founder of the NH chapter and belittling people by not using the issues at hand but by resorting straight to name calling.
He knows my education level without knowing me or my background.

Sorry, but I'm here to help people. Not childish name calling.

Bobby

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by bskinner

East Coast Inspectors...2/15/08 4:53 AMBobby, you are a total and complete idiot!
Guess who this was, Frank M. Carrio.

New Hampshire must be proud since your the founder of the NH chapter and belittling people by not using the issues at hand but by resorting straight to name calling.
He knows my education level without knowing me or my background.

Sorry, but I'm here to help people. Not childish name calling.
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It is apparent from two of you guys that the going rate in NH is $125-150. That's great, I wish it was that way around the entire country but it's not!!!

So, since I'm not a home inspector, I do not charge the same price you do.

I almost have my contractors license.
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Bobby

Bobby,
So ..... you are NOT an inspector ...... AND ...you ALMOST have a "Contractors License"

I guess that makes you a "Wannabe" who is charging according to his "worth."

For your information .... our Chapter has past & present;
1. Residential Contractors.

2. Commercial Contractors.

3. Several types of Engineers, IE. Structural, Electrical ....sorry no "Choo Choo types".

4. Code Enforcement Inspectors.

5. One Bona Fide Scientist.

6. An Engineer who teaches Home Inspection College Courses.

7. Licensed Plumber.

8. Licensed Electrician.

9. Certified HVAC technicians.

10. Former & Present high school teachers.

ALL are CERTIFIED Home inspectors.

THAT is why we can and do charge $125.00 to $150.00 per draw inspection!

FYI.... last month I was at a bank that asked me what I charged for a "Draw Inspection" I asked what their going rate was and the manager told me that they were "being forced to pay THEIR appraiser $225.00 per inspection."

I was told that the "Banks Appraiser" had already conducted 16-inspections and that he was charging "according to his time."
I guess that this appraiser thought that he could either spend the morning earning $600.00 per appraisal or charge $225.00 each for 3 draw inspections.

I guess that the appraiser was charging and getting paid "for his worth."

The bank thinks that $150.00 per draw inspection is more than fair.

PS:
Now that the gloves are off...... Without being a builder and without being an inspector You claim to have conducted thousands of draw inspections and at a very low price.

YOU are what is killing our industry!

You are just some rag tag Wannabe who is running around with a pickup truck and a ladder screwing over the unsuspecting homeowner, builder, and contractor.

I am NOT in favor of licensing but ..... it is "people" like you that should not be allowed to operate and cast a bad name on the rest of us!

PPS:
From you comments about the Commercial Inspection "taking all day" I can see that you don't know "Jack" about construction.

• Do a "DRAW" electrical inspection on 90 to 120 condos and tell me how "fast" YOU can do them! Then send in photos and a report!

Oh .... I guess that you will charge $45.00 lousy dollars for all 120 condos and do them all in 10-15 minutes!


GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

[bskinner]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

Bobby,
So ..... you are NOT an inspector ...... AND ...you ALMOST have a "Contractors License"

I guess that makes you a "Wannabe" who is charging according to his "worth."
Here comes the name calling again!!! So Professional!!
I have always stated I have no Plans on being a home inspector...So how does that make me a "Wannabe"?
As for the contractors license, I have passed the state exam. I just have not submitted my application.
For your information .... our Chapter has past & present;
1. Residential Contractors.

2. Commercial Contractors.

3. Several types of Engineers, IE. Structural, Electrical ....sorry no "Choo Choo types".

4. Code Enforcement Inspectors.

5. One Bona Fide Scientist.

6. An Engineer who teaches Home Inspection College Courses.

7. Licensed Plumber.

8. Licensed Electrician.

9. Certified HVAC technicians.

10. Former & Present high school teachers.

ALL are CERTIFIED Home inspectors.

I have never once challenged the qualifications of those who are now or have ever been in this chapter. I simply stated they must be so proud of your Professional name calling abilites as their leader!!
THAT is why we can and do charge $125.00 to $150.00 per draw inspection!

No. you can charge that b/c that seems to be the going rate in NH (what little home building that exists there). It is 1126.37 mile from NH to my market area. So come on down and see how you do at $150 a draw inspection. I did not set my markets price. It was already there before I started more than three years ago!!!
P.S. I charge more than most draw inspectors in my area!! As a matter of fact, I am getting paid the same price as an appraiser in my area.
FYI.... last month I was at a bank that asked me what I charged for a "Draw Inspection" I asked what their going rate was and the manager told me that they were "being forced to pay THEIR appraiser $225.00 per inspection."
Forced!!! Free Market Economy. You mean they chose to.
I was told that the "Banks Appraiser" had already conducted 16-inspections and that he was charging "according to his time."
I guess that this appraiser thought that he could either spend the morning earning $600.00 per appraisal or charge $225.00 each for 3 draw inspections.

I guess that the appraiser was charging and getting paid "for his worth."
So you are saying that being a licensed appraiser has more value than a certification for a home inspector?
Or are you saying his time has more worth than yours?
The bank thinks that $150.00 per draw inspection is more than fair.
"You and the other low ballers are what are strangeling our industry.
This makes these type of companies look at us with no respect what so ever!" This is a quote from you Frank. Aren't you glad that you have now lowered the rates in NH from $225 to $150. Do I smell HYPOCRISY on your behalf?!?! So who are you going to blame for that? Not me!
PS:
Now that the gloves are off...... Without being a builder and without being an inspector You claim to have conducted thousands of draw inspections and at a very low price.
It doesn't matter now b/c you feel appraisers are higher than you and more valuable.
YOU are what is killing our industry!
NOT ONE TIME, again so you can comprehend this, NOT ONE TIME HAVE STATED HOW MUCH I CHARGE!!!
You are just some rag tag Wannabe who is running around with a pickup truck and a ladder screwing over the unsuspecting homeowner, builder, and contractor.
How am I screwing them. I do a 24 hr turn around at a better price for better work. You admitted that it takes you all day to do one draw inspection. How can you have done thousands since the mid 90's if you takes you all day to do one? I offer my banks more than you do!!
I am NOT in favor of licensing but ..... it is "people" like you that should not be allowed to operate and cast a bad name on the rest of us!
So now your saying you don't need a license to be quailified as draw inspector? To be honest I want there to be licensing so people like you who have no concept of the operation can not be included in doing draw inspections. You think you have to be an appraiser or home inspector to be qualified to be a draw inspector. Seems to me my building background makes me more qualified than you and your name calling business!!
PPS:
From you comments about the Commercial Inspection "taking all day" I can see that you don't know "Jack" about construction.
Your local VA can help you with the wheel chair so you can get rid of the walker you have apparently been using.
Oh .... I guess that you will charge $45.00 lousy dollars for all 120 condos and do them all in 10-15 minutes!
Basic math......$45x120=$5400 Not a bad days work in my opinion. I don't charge $45 for a commercial, my price is a lot higher. But since this was a big project I would give the builder or bank, whom ever is paying for the draw inspection, a price break for each inspection. This way I would be guaranteed to have their business on projects similiar to this one. You might learn something here Frank. SO HOW AM I SCREWING builders and lenders when you rip them off by doing what you DID!!

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

I wonder what your going to call me now?
Give me a break with your hypocrisy.

JUST BECAUSE YOUR MARKET AREA IS PAYING SO MUCH DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS WILLING TO PAY THAT MUCH...EVER. I will tell you why. B/c the rate has been in place for so long that if some lenders start allowing the rate for draw inspections to increase the builders will make an uproar and not use them. So it seems that you need to start hitting the builders to start paying more for them. But wait, your into screwing them. Without the builders there would be no draw inspections.
Its not just draw inspectors competing with each other, the lenders are competing as well. And they want to offer the builders the best price so they can get more business from the builder.

RECAP:
1) I am a "wannabe" who is not worth what you are because I am not licensed BUT you stated you were not for mandatory licensing so you must not really believe a license is necessary to be qualified to do this work or to determine one's value.
2) You have NO CLUE what I charge per inspection b/c I have never specified my charges nor what our market is in this area. One thing you need to realize is that the rest of the country's rate per draw inspection does not revolve around the rates in NH.
3) You just admitted to doing the exact same thing you have been crucifying others of doing. You are willing to undercut the appraiser's price of $225 by $75 in order to secure the business of that lender. How would you feel if that appraiser started to crucify you for it the way you are doing others? Do you see the hypocrisy that is running rampant?
4) I have been asked by many home inspectors what they should charge for draw inspections. My response has ALWAYS been: it depends on your market area.
I have never been a low baller, I charge what is exceptable by local lenders and builders are willing to pay. I did over 70 draw inspections two weeks ago and 30 last week so I feel I have done a good job to have gathered as much business I have for the short amount of time I have been doing it. I credit that to my ablilties to offer them a very fast service, and going beyond the normal boundries of a normal draw inspector like putting lender signs at the jobsites, pictures, checking to make sure the house is the same as on the appraisal and etc.


This will be my last post on this thread since I have had so many people PMing me asking for help and I have been fighting with a person who has some major internal issues.


Thanks for your support guys and I will help as many of you as I can.

Bobby.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by bskinner

BLAH BLAH BLAH........

Now don't you feel better!

Bobby...... You are SO MUCH FUN!!!!!

I have not had so much fun since the hogs ate my little sister!

You should have left it alone when I said Goodbye and I wished you well or some such .......

[ldapkus]

Good post Bobby.

[cyezza]

Thanks for all your valuable input Bobby, I appreciate it the info

[Peter C. Russell]

Bobby, FYI, here in NH the cost of the draw inspections are rolled into the mortgage so the builder does not pay a dime. If more than the usual 5 are required it is still mortgage holder who pays not the builder.

Just wanted to clear that up.

[bskinner]

Originally Posted by prussell

Bobby, FYI, here in NH the cost of the draw inspections are rolled into the mortgage so the builder does not pay a dime. If more than the usual 5 are required it is still mortgage holder who pays not the builder.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Peter you and I both know that for a spec house anything that goes into the cost (draw inspection) of construction loan goes against the builders profit. So that does means the builder is paying for it. I have never heard of a mortgage for construction, just construction loans that will be closed at the end of construction and a mortgage is purchased to pay for the house. But for a custom house the builder or the future home owner can get the construction loan. If the builder gets the loan he is paying for the draw inspections. If the future home owner gets the construction loan then they pay for the draw inspections.
Peter I here complaints from builders all the time about the cost of draw inspections. So there must be builders paying for them.

[Peter C. Russell]

Bobby, you are correct if you mean builders spec houses which are far and few between up here. This may be where there is some misunderstanding. The draw inspections I do are for homes that are built or remodeled and are directly for the owner who has secured the loan. This may be the difference between the two.

I have just signed a contract to do a 1485 square foot addition which happens to be financed by one of the banks I do draws for but unfortunately I wont be able to do the draws on my own project. To bad because I would have them done in minutes instead of hours.

[bskinner]

Originally Posted by prussell

Bobby, you are correct if you mean builders spec houses which are far and few between up here. This may be where there is some misunderstanding. The draw inspections I do are for homes that are built or remodeled and are directly for the owner who has secured the loan. This may be the difference between the two.

I have just signed a contract to do a 1485 square foot addition which happens to be financed by one of the banks I do draws for but unfortunately I wont be able to do the draws on my own project. To bad because I would have them done in minutes instead of hours.

Down here in my market area the large majority of houses are spec houses. If I were to put a percentage of the draw inspections I do that are specs I would guess that it would be 80% specs and 20% customs and remodels.
When I start building houses I plan on using lenders that I do not do draw inspections for that same reason. They are correct in their thinking b/c it is a conflict of interest. This way I can also try to get their business for doing draw inspections.

Peter you sound like a good person and I wish you the best,
Thanks
Bobby