Even Cnn is reporting...

[klott]

that the strategy in Iraq is working. They report that Al Quieda has over played it's hand. There was a news story about a Saudi man who was duped into driving a suicide truck in Iraq, he was to drive a fuel truck loaded with 2 or 3 tons of explosives, and park it in front of the Jordanian embassy, then get out and run!. His 2 Al Quieda guides who rode with him, jumped out about 100 yards before the target and ran, when he got about 60 yards from the target, the back of the truck exploded. He said he looked down and his fingers just turned black, and melted and everything inside the truck started melting, he jumped out and ran, and some passers by took him to the hospital. He later confessed that he was not innocent as thought, but was in fact the driver. After the great treatment by the American doctors, he said he realized that the Jihad that he had been drawn into did not exist, it was all lies. He decided to help prevent anymore young men from losing their lives needlessly. He teemed up with Saudi officials, and now he speaks on T.V. to warn people not to be fooled. He said most of the suicide bombers are not told they will be used for only 1 mission. Any way, the reason I'm writing this post is to say to all the anti-war people who post on this BB, please give this new strategy time to work, it is working, regardless of how you feel, we are over there, support our troops, and our government's plan, only then can we pull out, and everybody will better off for it.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by klott

He said most of the suicide bombers are not told they will be used for only 1 mission.

Gee....I think I know, now, why Kamikazee pilots wore helmets.

[Michael Larson]

This thread should probably be in the "Not for Everyone" category so as not to offend.

What will the Dems do now? They have invested so heavily in the defeat of the USA in Iraq that this must be very bad news indeed.

If this type if news continues they will have to come up with something other than the "hate Bush get out of Iraq B.S.

Maybe even talk about some real issues. Not that they have much to offer.

[bdoles2]

Originally Posted by klott

He said most of the suicide bombers are not told they will be used for only 1 mission.

Maybe they need a new SOP to address that issue.


7.1.1 - You may be used only once and once only. If used again, you SUCK as a suicide bomber and will be put to worldy torture in the NACHI MB under the thread, To License or Not to License. <----that's for you Jim!

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bdoles2

To License or Not to License. <----that's for you Jim!

Good idea.

License all suicide bombers and fire them when they renew.

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by klott

Any way, the reason I'm writing this post is to say to all the anti-war people who post on this BB, please give this new strategy time to work, it is working, regardless of how you feel, we are over there, support our troops, and our government's plan, only then can we pull out, and everybody will better off for it.

How long do we need? A month? A year? A decade? A century?

How is CNN or any of the other major media outlets who slant and grossly over-simplify complex issues a credible source? A great and current example of the media's gutter journalism is their coverage of the high profile double murder suicide of a pro wrestler ...

What exactly is our government's plan and how is it going to work?

How does one "reformed" suicide bomber prove our plan is working?

When are the Iraqi people, not just our troops, actually going to unite against the terrorists who are killing Iraqi civilians?

How are we going to force the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds to coexist under a democracy without our military presence?

What do we have to gain from acheiving a successful Iraqi democracy free of terrorism, considering the rest of the Middle East is littered with terrorist cells?

Can the war on terrorism really be considered a success because our troops on foriegn soil, not our civilians here in the US, are the victims of terrorist attacks?

[klott]

He was just an example Nick, the Iraqi's are fighting back, and the point with Cnn is that they are usually far to the left on this issue. i think we are much better off fighting them over there. And as far as other terorist cells, you have to start somewhere.

[nwagner]

Strong examples can be made on either side of a story, just ask Jim Bushart about how it is done with licensing. Regardless, it is nice to hear of that there are those over there that see the errors of their ways. If only more of them would realize the hypocracy and absurdity of their fanatical ways.

As far as CNN, FOX and and all the other biased medias, I never merit their "journalism". All of there "news" is sensationalized, slanted and very poorly analyzed to be of any use. It does not even impress me when they break protocol by swinging to the other side of the spectrum. Heck, they probably do something like that for the mere sake of getting people to talk about it (and hopefully tune in as a result).

I agree that we are better off fighting them over there. I disagree with how we are doing it. I do not see how we expect to stamp out the terrorists by forcing three rival ethnicities to maintain a secure, democratic government. I do not see how we expect to wipe out the terrorists when there is an endless supply of them flooding in from the swiss cheese boarders along Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabi, etc. I do not see how a weak democratic government that has to pander to tribes and is frequently subject to internal sabotage is going to maintain national security by itself, ever. With the utter lack of citizens taking actions into their own hands with the terrorists, I just do not see a strong will by the Iraqi citizen. Heck, they don't even protest the bombers.

I would like to believe that we will eventually win but it is impossible to with all the questions swirling around. Perhaps a feasible plan would be a start ...

[rwand1]

License all suicide bombers and fire them when they renew

Please, can we call these people (suicide bombers) what they truly are and that is, homicide bombers.

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Good idea.

License all suicide bombers and fire them when they renew.

Wouldn't licensure flood the streets with under-qualified suicide bombers who would all be viewed as equal? Or could the general public sleep better at night knowing that the suicide bombers would at least meet a minimum level of education and standards of practice?

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Please, can we call these people (suicide bombers) what they truly are and that is, Homicide Bombers.

Agreed!

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by nwagner

..... I do not see how we expect to stamp out the terrorists by forcing three rival ethnicities to maintain a secure, democratic government. I do not see how we expect to wipe out the terrorists when there is an endless supply of them flooding in from the swiss cheese boarders along Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabi, etc. I do not see how a weak democratic government that has to pander to tribes and is frequently subject to internal sabotage is going to maintain national security by itself, ever.

At yet look at us. We have a multitude of nationalities, religions and other categorized groupings. Somehow we manage. Democracy is very young in Iraq and that part of theworld. They desire freedom and will work it out with our help keeping the terrorists off balance.

Originally Posted by nwagner

With the utter lack of citizens taking actions into their own hands with the terrorists, I just do not see a strong will by the Iraqi citizen. Heck, they don't even protest the bombers.

This is a gross mistatment that you should recondsider.

Originally Posted by nwagner

I would like to believe that we will eventually win but it is impossible to with all the questions swirling around. Perhaps a feasible plan would be a start ...

Please read history. Ours plans are not telegraphed to the enemy before they are executed. To assume there is no plan is ridiculous. War is dirty business and rarely goes exactly according to any plan. There is no reason for us to lose except certain politicians who are committed to making sure it happens. Nick, I suspect your too young to have been around during the Vietnam war. I suggest you read about it and determine for yourself who brought about our loss in that war.

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by mlarson

At yet look at us. We have a multitude of nationalities, religions and other categorized groupings. Somehow we manage. Democracy is very young in Iraq and that part of theworld. They desire freedom and will work it out with our help keeping the terrorists off balance.
This is a gross mistatment that you should recondsider.

We actively took up arms to acheive our freedom. We actively fought to acheive equality. Where are there examples of this happening in Iraq?

Please read history. Ours plans are not telegraphed to the enemy before they are executed. To assume there is no plan is ridiculous.

I stated the lack of a feasible plan.

War is dirty business and rarely goes exactly according to any plan.

Very true.

There is no reason for us to lose except certain politicians who are committed to making sure it happens.

The lack of reason to lose does not assure victory.

Nick, I suspect your too young to have been around during the Vietnam war. I suggest you read about it and determine for yourself who brought about our loss in that war.

Explain to me how Vietnam applies to this war? Where are the indications that the the terrorists are nearing their breaking point like the Vietcong suppossedly was? Yes, it appears we could have won Vietnam but we were fighting guerrilla communists, not fanatic secularists.

[cduphily]

Originally Posted by nwagner

How long do we need? A month? A year? A decade? A century?

How is CNN or any of the other major media outlets who slant and grossly over-simplify complex issues a credible source? A great and current example of the media's gutter journalism is their coverage of the high profile double murder suicide of a pro wrestler ...

What exactly is our government's plan and how is it going to work?

How does one "reformed" suicide bomber prove our plan is working?

When are the Iraqi people, not just our troops, actually going to unite against the terrorists who are killing Iraqi civilians?

How are we going to force the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds to coexist under a democracy without our military presence?

What do we have to gain from acheiving a successful Iraqi democracy free of terrorism, considering the rest of the Middle East is littered with terrorist cells?

Can the war on terrorism really be considered a success because our troops on foriegn soil, not our civilians here in the US, are the victims of terrorist attacks?

Bears repeating!

[Michael Larson]

Nick,

The world is not as it was in our early history.

The Vietnam reference is to the politicians and many people loosing their will and insisting on the pullout of troops before victory was complete. Sound familiar?

You mention a "feasible" plan. What would you do?