Four Point Insurance Inspections & the Certified ICC Inspector

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Calling All Florida Certified ICC Inspectors,

We have confirmation here in Florida that Citizens Insurance Company is accepting Four Point Insurance Inspection reports from ICC Certified Inspectors for older homes without having to use a licensed general and/or electrical contractor to sign off on your work. Note: this only for those inspectors who hold a minimum of both B1 & E1 ICC Certifications.

Besides licensed contractors we believe most insurance companies will also accept Four Point Insurance Inspection reports from licensed building inspectors and insurance adjustors.

We are seeking to do a link exchange with other ICC Certified Inspectors outside the Greater Tampa Bay area for the purpose of securing Four Point Insurance Inspections. Please visit our website and let me know if you would like to be listed. Our site is currently ranked very high in the search engines and you will instantly be able to take advantage of our previous efforts.

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NOTE: This offer is only being made to ICC Certified Inspectors or Florida State Licensed Contractors and Adjustors.

Thank you,

Joe Burkeson.

[Greg Bell]

I have done several inspections on houses that are over 50 years old without bringing in an electrician. I just put my ICC number on the report and the client sends it in. Everyone of them has been accepted.

The bottom line here for NACHI Members in Florida is to get your ICC Certifications if you want to perform this service for Citizens Insurance. I am sure that most of you realize that they will be the only insurer in Florida 5 to 10 years from now.

Would anyone be interested in taking a workshop on preparing for the ICC certifications?

[Carl Pennick]

I am Greg!!!!

[Paul W. Abernathy]

And if you know the basics of the NEC you should have no problem getting the ICC Residential Electrical Certification. Heck if you just know the IRC's chapters on Electrical you should have no problems passing that test....piece of cake.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

And if you know the basics of the NEC you should have no problem getting the ICC Residential Electrical Certification. Heck if you just know the IRC's chapters on Electrical you should have no problems passing that test....piece of cake.

Hi Paul,

Which ICC Certification do you hold? I have the E1, but my background is commercial electrical contracting when I lived in New York City. I plan to sit for both the Commercial & Plans Examiner tests later this year, have you taken those certification tests? If so, what study material did you use to prepare yourself?

Thanks - Joe.

BTW - Still looking for Certified ICC Members or License holders who want to exchange links, email me at Joe@Square-OneInspection.com.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

I have ICC Residential Electrical Inspector...

I have not taken the others you mention....I never really venture outside of the electrical area of my testing.....not sure why...Just never have.

[jherrera]

I just got off the phone with Citizens Insurance and ICC certification was not on their list of acceptable qualifications for 4 point inspectors. Their reply was to either get a GC license or an Electrician license or you can be a member of ASHI or FABI. ICC was not on their list.

Who did you get this information from? What person did you contact at citizens? I would like confirmation from someone with authority at citizens before I go on any wild goose chases.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by jherrera

I just got off the phone with Citizens Insurance and ICC certification was not on their list of acceptable qualifications for 4 point inspectors. Their reply was to either get a GC license or an Electrician license or you can be a member of ASHI or FABI. ICC was not on their list.

Who did you get this information from? What person did you contact at citizens? I would like confirmation from someone with authority at citizens before I go on any wild goose chases.

I received this information from my own experience, I have submitted many reports this year and none have been rejected. Granted I am a both an ASHI & FABI member, but I do not use the approved ASHI form, nor do I submit my ASHI # within the report. I use one report I created myself and I submit with all four of my ICC Certificates. I do not know what your experience will be but this has been mine, as a matter of fact just today I inspected a Citizens house built in 1955, and do not anticipate any problems.

Citizens is a government agency, call tomorrow and speak with someone else and you will get another story no doubt. I hear it over and over that ASHI guys regularly are having their reports rejected. I believe the report you use can be the culprit, most of these forms are handled by minimum-wage clerks. If your form is too complex or the condition is not easily understood and the clerk is required to seek help from their supervisor chances are that your inspection will be rejected. Remember to only use Good, Fair or Poor as your qualifiers and include the age & expected life remaining and you will have less trouble. I hope this was helpful. This is the certification page I include with all reports sent to Citizens and no inspections have been rejected.

[Greg Bell]

It is my fault that some of you are only focused on Four point inspections. I should have and will in the future focus on the other benefits of being ICC certified. Being able to perform Four Points is just one small benefit of being ICC Certified. I have had the same experience as Joe with submitting my reports to citizens on homes older than 50 years old. I include my ICC Number and have never had one returned. I don't include my FABI Number simply because I don't want to have to submit the 6 page report that is required to do so. I much prefer having a two page report with my ICC Number.

Now that the resale market is slowing down and there are not as many inspections to be performed as in the past inspectors will need to diversify to allow them to remain in business through this market adjustment. Being able to perform new construction and warranty inspections provides another source of revenue. If you want to break into those markets there is no better qualification than being ICC Code Certified. The builders will treat you much differently than they would if you were just another home inspector. By being ICC Certified they know that you have the same qualifications as the municipal inspector that oversees their jobs.

ICC is a certification that is recognized without having any association bias. It is recognized throughout the world as a standard of accomplishment.

I hope that this gives a better understanding of what an ICC Certification can do for you.

Thanks,

[Greg Bell]

On a side note, I just finalized negotiations with the 7th largest independent insurance brokerage in the United States. One of my biggest selling points was that I could supply a network of ICC Certified inspectors throughout the State of Florida and eventually the United States. So I know that being ICC Certified has some meaning to the insurance industry.

[Dale Duffy]

I gotta go take that test Greg. Just for the hell of it.

[Greg Bell]

Hi Dale,

Hell I thought you had more certifications than Joe and I combined. I hope that we can all meet while you are in Tampa.

[Richard L. Bennett]

Greg

Who has had any 4 point inspections rejected?? Who has been kicked off a new construction site and for what??

While ICC is a good thing -- Is it a requirement for anything??

Let not over rate something just to get people to take a class or spend a lot of time to get something that they do not need

I have seen some posts on this that gives the idea that ICC is being required for this or that and a little research shows nothing

Now if the state of Florida required one to be ICC rated in one or two areas to do home inspections that would be a different story.

Take an open book exam and you are good to go as long as the exam asks questions related to inspections and not building code



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[Steven E. Wiegner]

Im Going To The Orlando Boot Camp Hope This Will Be The Magic Bullet For 4 Point

Steve

[Richard L. Bennett]

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