The "Gaza Humanitarian Crisis"

[William J. Decker]

Here is a copy of an e-mail that I recieved from a friend of mine who lives in Israel. See how the world, and the U.S., is being lied to!

"
Shalom,
Maybe you haven't heard about the latest humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
The link below has an interesting video of it. (The video is what I am recommending, not the site's political positions).
http://muqata.blogspot.com/2010/07/humanitarian-crisis-video-of-gazas.html
Another site offering more pictures, as well as other charges (which I have not had the time to check out), can be found at:
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001127.html
For the CNN take on this, check out:
http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/gazas-new-shopping-mall-20968415#video=21011011
(Note: The wording of the CNN report suggests that the mall's goods were possible because Israel has now released all restrictions on civilian goods, except those which can be used as weapons or for support of military action. This occurred only two weeks or so ago, so it is amazing how quickly the mall was finished and stocked and readied, if it depended upon Israel's removal of restrictions.
By the way, there are published reports in Arabic, which have been translated, that up to 70% of the donated goods coming to Gaza from NGO's and other countries are not usable, such as broken medical devices, and medicine which is past its use date. I don't have the link handy, but I think it is in another location of one of the sites noted above. Is this another form of a "blockade" by others?
The reporter's discussion of the economy fails to mention Hamas and to recognize that Hamas and the PA are large employers also, or that Hamas has illegal control of the Gaza strip - taken away by killing PA members. There is also no mention the some of the Gazans, after Israel's withdrawal from the strip, totally destroyed for scrap all the greenhouses and infrastructure for the extensive agriculture that the Jewish residents had built into a major industry -and the IMF had spent millions buying for PA use- to help jump start the economy there.
Israel's cooperation in the economy of Gaza would occur in a flash, the moment they release Gilad Shalit, the young soldier who has been kidnapped for so many years now, and remains in isolation from even Red Cross visits, in violation of international law. For proof of what could be, one should look at what is happening to the economy in PA-controlled portions of Judea and Samaria, where the GDP is growing strongly, and there are current plans for joint business efforts by Israeli and Palestinian companies - which, by the way, successfully existed on the border between Israel and Gaza before Hamas came along and killed it.
Bottom line is that there are problems in Gaza, the sources of which are primarily due to Hamas. Israel can, and will do better at both meeting the needs of the people, as well as fighting when it has to - with one arm tied behind it's figurative back, so that the harm to civilians, behind which Hamas hides, will be minimized.
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Israel-Submits-Gaza-War-Report-to-UN--98937819.html)
There is much more to be said but this is enough for now."

What the so called "objective" world media, especially from the EU, has been, at least, orchastrated by Hamas or, at worst, aiding and abbeting the enemy.

Meanwhile, the west bank (under PA and not Hamas control) has enjoyed skyrocketing economic growth.

I have been there and have reported the same.

Too bad Gerry B died, because I would love to shove this in his face.

The truth will always come out.

Hope this helps;

[James H. Bushart]

Everyone has a perspective on everything. "Truth" is relative to that perspective.

[Michael Larson]

Truth is NEVER relative.

Perspective changes, Truth does not.

[klott]

Originally Posted by wdecker

Here is a copy of an e-mail that I recieved from a friend of mine who lives in Israel. See how the world, and the U.S., is being lied to!

"
Shalom,
Maybe you haven't heard about the latest humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
The link below has an interesting video of it. (The video is what I am recommending, not the site's political positions).
http://muqata.blogspot.com/2010/07/humanitarian-crisis-video-of-gazas.html
Another site offering more pictures, as well as other charges (which I have not had the time to check out), can be found at:
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001127.html
For the CNN take on this, check out:
http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/gazas-new-shopping-mall-20968415#video=21011011
(Note: The wording of the CNN report suggests that the mall's goods were possible because Israel has now released all restrictions on civilian goods, except those which can be used as weapons or for support of military action. This occurred only two weeks or so ago, so it is amazing how quickly the mall was finished and stocked and readied, if it depended upon Israel's removal of restrictions.
By the way, there are published reports in Arabic, which have been translated, that up to 70% of the donated goods coming to Gaza from NGO's and other countries are not usable, such as broken medical devices, and medicine which is past its use date. I don't have the link handy, but I think it is in another location of one of the sites noted above. Is this another form of a "blockade" by others?
The reporter's discussion of the economy fails to mention Hamas and to recognize that Hamas and the PA are large employers also, or that Hamas has illegal control of the Gaza strip - taken away by killing PA members. There is also no mention the some of the Gazans, after Israel's withdrawal from the strip, totally destroyed for scrap all the greenhouses and infrastructure for the extensive agriculture that the Jewish residents had built into a major industry -and the IMF had spent millions buying for PA use- to help jump start the economy there.
Israel's cooperation in the economy of Gaza would occur in a flash, the moment they release Gilad Shalit, the young soldier who has been kidnapped for so many years now, and remains in isolation from even Red Cross visits, in violation of international law. For proof of what could be, one should look at what is happening to the economy in PA-controlled portions of Judea and Samaria, where the GDP is growing strongly, and there are current plans for joint business efforts by Israeli and Palestinian companies - which, by the way, successfully existed on the border between Israel and Gaza before Hamas came along and killed it.
Bottom line is that there are problems in Gaza, the sources of which are primarily due to Hamas. Israel can, and will do better at both meeting the needs of the people, as well as fighting when it has to - with one arm tied behind it's figurative back, so that the harm to civilians, behind which Hamas hides, will be minimized.
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Israel-Submits-Gaza-War-Report-to-UN--98937819.html)
There is much more to be said but this is enough for now."

What the so called "objective" world media, especially from the EU, has been, at least, orchastrated by Hamas or, at worst, aiding and abbeting the enemy.

Meanwhile, the west bank (under PA and not Hamas control) has enjoyed skyrocketing economic growth.

I have been there and have reported the same.

Too bad Gerry B died, because I would love to shove this in his face.

The truth will always come out.

Hope this helps;

Will, you should remove the comment about Gerry, feeding your ego does not help to make your point at all!

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by klott

Will, you should remove the comment about Gerry, feeding your ego does not help to make your point at all!

Gerry and I were friends and we both enjoyed a good argument.

And, I am sure that he would enjoy this one.

No ego involved.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Truth is NEVER relative.

Perspective changes, Truth does not.

That's certainly your perspective.

Thanks for illustrating my point.

[Michael Larson]

Truth in its simplest form is reality.

Deal with it.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Truth in its simplest form is reality.

Deal with it.

Again...simply your perception of truth. Nothing more.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Again...simply your perception of truth. Nothing more.

Truth itself is inflexible.

Your perception is not.

This is the stupidest claim I have ever seen you make.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

This is the stupidest claim I have ever seen you make.

Again, nothing more than your perception.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Again, nothing more than your perception.

Can you site any evidence?

If you don't believe in an ultimate truth how can anything be determined for certain?

[Michael Larson]

Some here might appreciate Augistines comments on truth:

1. Truth Exists:-It is self-defeating to deny the existence of truth. If someone claims that “Truth does not exist”, then we can counter by asking if the claim is True or False. If the claim is False, then Truth Exists, and if the claim is True, then Truth Exists.

2. Truth is Unchangeable:- It is impossible for truth to change. What is true today always has been and always will be true. All true propositions are immutable truths. Pragmatic views of truth that imply that what is true today may be false tomorrow are untrue. If truth changes, then pragmatism will be untrue tomorrow, if indeed it could ever be true.

3. Truth is Eternal:- By extension of its Unchangeable nature, Truth must be Eternal. Even if every created thing ceases to exist, Truth will continue to exist. But suppose someone asks, “What if truth itself should someday perish?” Then the truth that “Truth has perished” would still exist eternally. Any denial of the eternity of truth turns out to be an affirmation of its eternity.

4. Truth is Spiritual:- The existence of truth presupposes the existence of minds. Without a mind, truth could not exist. The object of knowledge is a meaningful thought which resides in one or more minds.
a. Truth is Not a function of Matter:- The existence of truth is incompatible with any materialistic view of man. Materialists believe that all thinking and reasoning is merely the result of the motion of particles in the brain. But one set of relative physical motions are not truer than another set. Therefore, if there is no mind, there can be no truth; and if there is no truth, materialism cannot be true. Truth cannot be a function of the position of material objects because if a thought was the result of some physical motion in the brain, no two persons could have the same thought. A physical motion is a fleeting event different from every other motion. Two persons could not have the same random motion, nor could one person have the same random motion twice.
b. Truth is Not a function of Time:-If thoughts were the result of physical motions in the brain, memory and communication would be impossible. We are able to recall the past because we have minds and not because of the motion of particles in our brains. Thus, if one is able to think the same thought twice, truth must be independent of time.
c. Truth is Not a function of Space:- Truth is independent of Space as well. Not only does truth defy time and matter; it defies space as well. For communication to be possible between two or more people, the identical truth must be in two or more minds at the same time. If, in opposition, anyone wished to deny that an immaterial idea can exist in two different minds at the same time, his denial must be conceived to exist in his own mind only; and since it has not registered in any other mind, it does not occur to us to refute it!

5. Truth is Superior to the human mind:-By its very nature, truth cannot be subjective and individualistic. Truth is immutable, but the human mind is changeable. Even though beliefs vary from one person to another, truth itself cannot change. Moreover, the human mind does not stand in judgment of truth; rather truth judges our reason. While we sometimes judge other human minds (as when we say, for example, that someone’s mind is not as keen as it should be), we do not judge truth. If truth and the human mind were equal, truth could not be eternal and immutable since the human mind is finite, mutable, and subject to error. Therefore, truth must transcend human reason; truth must be superior to any individual human mind as well as to the sum total of human minds. From this it follows that there must be a mind higher than the human mind in which truth resides.

6. Truth is God:-We have seen that Truth exists, is unchangeable, eternal, spiritual, and is superior to the human mind. But only God possesses these attributes. If we substitute the word “God” for the word “Truth” in the list of attributes, we see that:
God Exists- God is Unchangeable- God is Eternal- God is Spiritual- God is not a function of Space, Time or Matter- God is Superior to the human mind- These attributes apply equally to Truth and God, and only to Truth and God. Truth and God are identical. Truth and God are convertible. Truth is God. God is Truth.
No created thing possesses the attributes of Truth or God. There can be no True propositions about created entities, including numbers, geometric patterns or so called “laws” of science because they are all dependent on Space, Time or Matter. The only true propositions are about God. In other words, Knowing Truth is Knowing God. Truth is Knowledge of God.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Can you site any evidence?

If you don't believe in an ultimate truth how can anything be determined for certain?

I may not believe in YOUR perception of "ultimate truth" and, even if I did, it would simply be my perception coinciding with yours.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I may not believe in YOUR perception of "ultimate truth" and, even if I did, it would simply be my perception coinciding with yours.

What you fail to recognize is that there is a ultimate reality.

We are not entitled to our own truth.

To say there is no truth is self refuting and defies the rules of logic as Augustine stated.

1. Truth Exists:-It is self-defeating to deny the existence of truth. If someone claims that “Truth does not exist”, then we can counter by asking if the claim is True or False. If the claim is False, then Truth Exists, and if the claim is True, then Truth Exists.

2. Truth is Unchangeable:- It is impossible for truth to change. What is true today always has been and always will be true. All true propositions are immutable truths. Pragmatic views of truth that imply that what is true today may be false tomorrow are untrue. If truth changes, then pragmatism will be untrue tomorrow, if indeed it could ever be true.

[George A. H. Luck]

OY!