Global warming? Yeah right....

[kpierce]

...then explain why its snowing outside??

[nwagner]

I wish that Global Warming fairy tale would come true because I'm tired of all these bitter cold winters with +100" of snowfall.

[David A. Andersen]

I have my own theory of the outcome of the global warming scenario, but if you think it's a fairy tale, please explain why Exit Glacier in AK is 3/4 mile from where it was the last time I was up there?

No one knows the outcome of this, but please feel free to dispute the facts.

Maybe increased evaporation or sublimation?

Kevin, when it stops snowing in WA, we will be in real deep do-do! You do understand why it rains and snows so much there, no?

Nick, Fla. is nice this time of year!
I like snow, but I don't know how you do Wisconsin winters!

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by nwagner

I wish that Global Warming fairy tale would come true because I'm tired of all these bitter cold winters with +100" of snowfall.

That's said with sarcasm right?

[nwagner]

OK, so we have some circumstantial evidence of "Global Warming" in that the glaciers in the Arctic are melting. Now, where's the empirical evidence of global warming? Bonus points for proving that it is caused by our "greenhouse gas emissions" and not by the Earth's natural tendency to warm and cool in 1000 year cycles ...

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by nwagner

OK, so we have some circumstantial evidence of "Global Warming" in that the glaciers in the Arctic are melting. Now, where's the empirical evidence of global warming? Bonus points for proving that it is caused by our "greenhouse gas emissions" and not by the Earth's natural tendency to warm and cool in 1000 year cycles ...

1. We have more evidence that this one fact. 2. I'm not claiming it's due to greenhouse gases. It could be. 3. The recent warming is off the charts relative to the previous natural cycles. Why?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by kpierce

1. We have more evidence that this one fact.

Prove it.

2. I'm not claiming it's due to greenhouse gases. It could be.

Prove it.

3. The recent warming is off the charts relative to the previous natural cycles. Why?

Again prove it.


Maybe you don't read this thread.

Starting at about post 16 it has become the "gorebull warming" repository of info.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by dandersen

I have my own theory of the outcome of the global warming scenario, but if you think it's a fairy tale, please explain why Exit Glacier in AK is 3/4 mile from where it was the last time I was up there?

Bad weather was good for Alaska glaciers

MASS BALANCE: For decades, summer snow loss has exceeded winter snowfall.


By CRAIG MEDRED
cmedred@adn.com

Published: October 13th, 2008 11:08 PM
Last Modified: October 13th, 2008 09:32 AM

Two hundred years of glacial shrinkage in Alaska, and then came the winter and summer of 2007-2008.

"It's been a long time on most glaciers where they've actually had positive mass balance," Molnia said.
That's the way a scientist says the glaciers got thicker in the middle.

P.S. Don't tell Al Gore.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Again prove it.

Prove it? Look up the definition of theory and we can talk. This is the same type discussion as the evolution debate. A theory is based on observational scientific fact. Once we gather enough facts, we can safely assume the theory points to the truth. It doesn't need to be 100% "proven" to be accepted. Thankfully, the debate is moot now since Obama will shape our policies based on the fact that the theory is sound. You naysayers can keep blowing hot air (pun intended).

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by kpierce

Prove it? Look up the definition of theory and we can talk. This is the same type discussion as the evolution debate. A theory is based on observational scientific fact. Once we gather enough facts, we can safely assume the theory points to the truth. It doesn't need to be 100% "proven" to be accepted. Thankfully, the debate is moot now since Obama will shape our policies based on the fact that the theory is sound. You naysayers can keep blowing hot air (pun intended).

The public isn't buying it.

Well some on the west coast are.

Defying Predictions, Sea Level Rise Begins to Slow

[mwood1]

It snowed over three inches down here in Southern Louisiana last Friday. First time I have ever seen real snow in my life. Must be the global warming.

Morgan Wood
Home Inspections of Louisiana, LLC

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mwood1

It snowed over three inches down here in Southern Louisiana last Friday. First time I have ever seen real snow in my life. Must be the global warming.

Morgan Wood
Home Inspections of Louisiana, LLC

Too funny.

http://green.msn.com/Home/Global-War...ers/?gt1=45002

MYTH:
Recent cold winters and cool summers don't feel like global warming to me.
FACT:
While different pockets of the country have experienced some cold winters here and there, the overall trend is warmer winters.
Measurements show that over the last century the Earth's climate has warmed overall, in all seasons, and in most regions. Climate skeptics mislead the public when they claim that the winter of 2003–2004 was the coldest ever in the northeastern United States. That winter was only the 33rd coldest in the region since records began in 1896. Furthermore, a single year of cold weather in one region of the globe is not an indication of a trend in the global climate, which refers to a long-term average over the entire planet.

MYTH:
Global warming is just part of a natural cycle. The Arctic has warmed up in the past.
FACT:
The global warming we are experiencing is not natural. People are causing it.
People are causing global warming by burning fossil fuels (like oil, coal and natural gas) and cutting down forests. Scientists have shown that these activities are pumping far more CO2 into the atmosphere than was ever released in hundreds of thousands of years. This buildup of CO2 is the biggest cause of global warming. Since 1895, scientists have known that CO2 and other greenhouse gases trap heat and warm the earth. As the warming has intensified over the past three decades, scientific scrutiny has increased along with it. Scientists have considered and ruled out other, natural explanations such as sunlight, volcanic eruptions and cosmic rays. (IPCC 2001)

Though natural amounts of CO2 have varied from 180 to 300 parts per million (ppm), today's CO2 levels are around 380 ppm. That's 25% more than the highest natural levels over the past 650,000 years. Increased CO2 levels have contributed to periods of higher average temperatures throughout that long record. (Boden, Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center)

As for previous Arctic warming, it is true that there were stretches of warm periods over the Arctic earlier in the 20th century. The limited records available for that time period indicate that the warmth did not affect as many areas or persist from year to year as much as the current warmth. But that episode, however warm it was, is not relevant to the issue at hand. Why? For one, a brief regional trend does not discount a longer global phenomenon.

We know that the planet has been warming over the past several decades and Arctic ice has been melting persistently. And unlike the earlier periods of Arctic warmth, there is no expectation that the current upward trend in Arctic temperatures will reverse; the rising concentrations of greenhouse gases will prevent that from happening.

[Joseph A. Ferry]

Global Warming is the biggest scam since One Hour Martinizing.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jferry1

Global Warming is the biggest scam since One Hour Martinizing.

Agreed, but with the new administration apparently committed to carbon reduction in the name of stopping gorebull warming, we will all pay heavily.

[rmaday]

Originally Posted by jferry1

Global Warming is the biggest scam since One Hour Martinizing.

One hour martinizing is a scam!?

Oh My....