ID Card For Right Wing Extremist

[smeyer]

Originally Posted by jbushart

A historian will argue with the accuracy of the information presented in the original post.

You see...the colonists who supported the King and their "mother land", England, were the conservatives. They did not want or appreciate their liberal minded younger generation of radicals who decided to buck the system that they had labored and died to build.

The forefathers that you have mistakenly called "conservatives" were young men in their twenties and early thirties for the most part, and were of a generation that had been born in the colonies and felt no allegiance or ties of any kind to Europe, as their aging and more conservative parents and grandparents did.

So....being young, liberal, and idealistic.....they took it upon themselves to disavow their heritage and declare themselves "independent" from the government that had been supporting them, fiscally, and protecting them, physically.

When they did...the conservatives who remained loyal to the King and to England...worked against them and gave support to their government troops who fought them.

But there were never a more liberal, rash and idealistic group of young men to ever form a government than the forefathers that today's conservatives embrace.

AND TODAYS LIBERALS? THEY STAND AGAINST MOST EVERYTHING THOSE OLDER, AND MUCH WISER, LIBERALS STOOD FOR!!! So, I guess todays conservatives are just "old time" liberals??

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by smeyer

AND TODAYS LIBERALS? THEY STAND AGAINST MOST EVERYTHING THOSE OLDER, AND MUCH WISER, LIBERALS STOOD FOR!!! So, I guess todays conservatives are just "old time" liberals??

Look at the word "conservative" and you get a better picture. A conservative is "conserving" or "hanging on" to his traditions. It is usually the older person who has become accustomed to such traditions, for "traditions" are not "traditions" until they have been repeated for some period of time.

The liberal is wanting to "liberate" himself from what he considers to be "old truths" and create a better life for himself than he perceives that those who preceded him did.

The conservatives of colonial America wanted to "conserve" a society that had lived for hundreds of years....and remain loyal to their king. Their young sons wanted to be "liberated"....or, as they would proclaim, "give me liberty, or give me death"....and other liberal shouts of defiance. The beloved king of the conservative colonist was a "tyrant" to his liberal son.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

A historian will argue with the accuracy of the information presented in the original post.

You see...the colonists who supported the King and their "mother land", England, were the conservatives. They did not want or appreciate their liberal minded younger generation of radicals who decided to buck the system that they had labored and died to build.

The forefathers that you have mistakenly called "conservatives" were young men in their twenties and early thirties for the most part, and were of a generation that had been born in the colonies and felt no allegiance or ties of any kind to Europe, as their aging and more conservative parents and grandparents did.

So....being young, liberal, and idealistic.....they took it upon themselves to disavow their heritage and declare themselves "independent" from the government that had been supporting them, fiscally, and protecting them, physically.

When they did...the conservatives who remained loyal to the King and to England...worked against them and gave support to their government troops who fought them.

But there were never a more liberal, rash and idealistic group of young men to ever form a government than the forefathers that today's conservatives embrace.

Liberal vs Conservative
The terms “liberal” and “conservative” are relative to a standard and therefore change over time as conditions change. For example, if a nation is governed by a monarchy, and there is movement to remove the monarchy and replace it with a democratic government, those individuals supporting the movement would be labeled “liberal.” (The term liberal originates from the Latin, liber, meaning “free.”) Those who wished to retain the monarchy would be called “conservative.” (From the Latin conservare, “to preserve or retain.”)

Now, suppose the monarchy is finally replaced, and a democratic government is installed; then the “liberals” will have won. Now, suppose after a generation or so, there is another movement to change the democratic government to a socialist government. Then those in favor of the new movement would again be “liberals,” and those wanting to retain the democracy would be “conservatives.”

The same definition is in force regardless of the kind of government that exists: those working to change the government are the liberals, and those wanting to retain it are conservatives.

American Liberals and Conservatives
Our Founding Fathers were “liberals.” They wanted to change their government from a monarchy to a democracy. After they succeeded in declaring independence from the English monarchy and instituting a democratic constitution, our new nation came into existence. We then had a democratic republic, not a monarchy.

Because our nation has existed as a democratic republic for several generations, those who support the ideals of those liberal Founding Fathers are now conservatives, and those who wish to change our government’s basic principles are now liberals.

Modern American Liberals
Modern American liberals are those who wish to change the democratic republic to a socialist from of government. They do not use the term “socialist” because the term connotes negativity to most Americans. But liberals promote the growth of government by high taxation and regulation, which leads to government control of every aspect of daily life.

Socialism is the springboard to communism. According to Karl Marx, at the socialist stage from capitalism to communism, the government owns all means of production under a dictatorship until that means of production can be turned over to the “people.”

The Marxist-Leninist Theory, of course, may sound good, at first. How utopian for all the people equally to own and profit from the means of production! Yet, how utterly unfeasible, unwieldy, and impossible! That is why the practical outcome of that theory has never been realized. Historically, it stops at the government-as-dictator stage, as we see with Fidel Castro’s Cuba, Mao’s China, Stalin’s Soviet Union, and other nations suffering long-term dictatorships.

For more information about socialism, please see Socialism

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art6253.asp

[Jae Williams]

[quote=kpierce;516938]A dying breed.[/quote]

Maybe so, but those that died did so for your freedoms. You can't seem to appreciate that.

[Jae Williams]

Originally Posted by kpierce

On the request of the membership, I try to keep hot topics in the appropriate place. We have a fun one going right now if you care to join.

That is bat-hockey, and you know it. The "membership" you speak of is a handful of self-appointed "thread police".

[Jae Williams]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

A growing majority of Americans are pro-life according the most recent gallop polls.



The reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated. Why the change in numbers?

Nothing units a people more than a common threat.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,3897855.story

Why is it referred to as "Pro-Choice"? The unborn victim certainly did not have a "choice" now, did he?

Seems as though everyone has a choice in this matter--everyone except the one who dies.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by smeyer

I realize that your state is more "civilized", but we are the old west, guns for hunting and protection is a way of life in these parts.

We ain't any more civilized, besides almost everyone in Florida is packin' heat. It is just that you can't go down to the range and shoot at pictures of real people, makes good sense if you think about it.

[smeyer]

Originally Posted by jbushart

The conservatives of colonial America wanted to "conserve" a society that had lived for hundreds of years....and remain loyal to their king. Their young sons wanted to be "liberated"....or, as they would proclaim, "give me liberty, or give me death"....and other liberal shouts of defiance. The beloved king of the conservative colonist was a "tyrant" to his liberal son.

My ancestory goes back to before the revolution, and by records, many fought in the revoution. Were they "liberals" (as defined in this century) I don't know, they are all dead. I do believe they fought against a old system of government, for FREEDOM to do what was best for their self survival, not what was best for the governing forces. Self reliance, freedom from a repressive government, be it throu taxes or regulation of individuals choices. A concept that today, in liberal speak, is lost "we know what best for you"! I am sure the King felt the same in those years!

"Give me liberty or give me death", the death part does not appeal to me, but the liberty part does!

The liberal of today feels they are the solution to every problem, the conservatives of today feel they are the problem!

So, give me the "liberty" to screw up and live with the consequences, good or bad! At least I can say "I did it my way"!!!

[smeyer]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

We ain't any more civilized, besides almost everyone in Florida is packin' heat. It is just that you can't go down to the range and shoot at pictures of real people, makes good sense if you think about it.

Packing heat down there??!! Guess I will need to be careful getting to the Carnival ships, Can I tote my own heat, just in case?

Guess I will go back at shooting at the beer cans out in the desert. The down side of that, is I have to pack in the beer cans, and pack them back out!

BTW: Kevin is a good kid, I wish him no ill will!! He is great at dishing it right back to me!! I respect that!

Have a good one!!

[smeyer]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

We ain't any more civilized, besides almost everyone in Florida is packin' heat. It is just that you can't go down to the range and shoot at pictures of real people, makes good sense if you think about it.

JOSEPH

As a side note, if you read many of my posts, you will find that I am a very sarcastic indivudal, just my nature, can't help it. Maybe I need counseling!! Take much of it with a grain of salt, as they say! I'll try and improve, maybe more meetings of sarcastic anonymous! Darn, this is tough!!!

You're a good man, I do agree with you on many issues, and disagree on others, but I respect your ability to put up a good fight!

Cheers!!!

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by smeyer

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The liberal of today feels they are the solution to every problem, the conservatives of today feel they are the problem!

\"!!!

You are catching on Steven. The (so called) conservatives of today are definitely the problem (hey, kids get off my lawn).
Glad to see you coming around

And Washington State is not the Old West Steven, "Excuse me my soy latte seems too sweet".

[Kevin M. Leonard]

NACHI needs to create a "Political" section in the members only area.

Brian, maybe you should start a new poll on this.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by kleonard

NACHI needs to create a "Political" section in the members only area.

Brian, maybe you should start a new poll on this.

When you boil it down... Everything is politics.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by kleonard

NACHI needs to create a "Political" section in the members only area.

Brian, maybe you should start a new poll on this.

Not For Everyone (members-only)
This is a members-only forum that contains threads that are not for everyone. These may include messages with religious themes, political views, crude humor, or other content that some might find objectionable.

[Kevin M. Leonard]

Originally Posted by kpierce

Not For Everyone (members-only)
This is a members-only forum that contains threads that are not for everyone. These may include messages with religious themes, political views, crude humor, or other content that some might find objectionable.

Thanks Kevin.
I was unaware of this since it's so low down on the MB front page.
I think it should be moved up under the Members only section so it is more visible and people will be more likely to post these types of subjects in it.

just a thought.