Inspecting The Inspectors

[Bill Mullen]

Thanks to Marcel Gratton for this link. I know that many of you dislike the author, but he makes some very good points. By the way, just so you know, Walter Jowers is a good friend of mine.

Bill Mullen
Sarnia, Ontario
Canada

http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/Columns/Helter_Shelter/2008/06/05/Inspecting_the_Inspector/

[James H. Bushart]

Excellent article and excellent points...especially as to how it is not licensing that determines who will be in business and who will perform inspections.

Mr. Jowers goes to great lengths to show that, in his licensed state, there is corruption and variances in skills, integrity, and services to the consumer.

At the end of his article he points out what every opponent of licensing continues to hold true....that it will be the market that will decide who is in business or not. Not the state licensing boards.

Licensing solves nothing.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Excellent article and excellent points...especially as to how it is not licensing that determines who will be in business and who will perform inspections.

Mr. Jowers goes to great lengths to show that, in his licensed state, there is corruption and variances in skills, integrity, and services to the consumer.

At the end of his article he points out what every opponent of licensing continues to hold true....that it will be the market that will decide who is in business or not. Not the state licensing boards.

Licensing solves nothing.

Unfortunately, you are right, Jim.

In a perfect world, licensing would mean something and it would ensure that people who got a license actually earned it and were worthy of that license. However, in almost every case, licensing has 'dumbed down' our industry and saturated the market with opportunists. This saturation means there are far too many wanting a piece of the pie, so fees plummet and many of our 'colleagues' become whores for the Used House Salespeople (Sorry Jim, but I love that phrase).

Bill Mullen

[James H. Bushart]

Don't be sorry, Bill. The truth is the truth.

Used cars, used houses....a salesman only eats when he finds a buyer. The hungrier he is...the grander the car/house.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by bmullen

In a perfect world, licensing would mean something and it would ensure that people who got a license actually earned it and were worthy of that license.

I do not believe even in a "perfect world" that licensing is the answer, and maybe somehow that misguided fantasy is what keeps the notion alive... "IF only we could cobble together the right phrases we too could succeed where other licensing bills have failed". Nothing could be farther from the truth.

We would all be better off if we simply recognized that turning our profession over to minimum-wage government clerks can never work in our favor regardless of how good the bill is written. Furthermore, we are all keenly aware that government bureaucracy rarely if ever improves anything it touches.

The sooner we acknowledge that home inspector licensing is a dead end with no hope of any actual benefit for either the home inspector or the consumer the sooner we can begin to once again move our profession forward. We must come to the realization that doing the same thing over and over again will not yield new results.

[John McKenna]

Quote from article...

Right now, Tennessee home inspectors are getting close to their license-renewal deadline, and they’re going to have to decide whether or not they want to pay licensing fees to the state and premiums to their insurance companies. I’m guessing that the home inspector population will be cut by half over the summer. With any luck, the good ones with stable businesses will be the ones left standing. When you get ready to buy a house, hire one of those home inspectors.

Sounds like he is saying that E&O expenses and licensing fees will help get rid of the bad inspectors.
Just the facts of what he said.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Quote from article...


Sounds like he is saying that E&O expenses and licensing fees will help get rid of the bad inspectors.
Just the facts of what he said.

...because they do not consider that a worthwhile investment while they are so short of funds, because....?

Keep in mind, when business was good, they paid it.

In Illinois, they don't renew their licenses....but just keep on inspecting without it. No one even asks for it, I'm told.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

...because they do not consider that a worthwhile investment while they are so short of funds, because....?

Keep in mind, when business was good, they paid it.

In Illinois, they don't renew their licenses....but just keep on inspecting without it. No one even asks for it, I'm told.

I try not to read into the article my ideas...

The man seems to be saying that he sees this filtering process (E&O and
licensing fees) as a good thing to eliminate the bad from the good.

For better or worse... he is not condemning this process in his state,
and actually points this out, in his article, as a positive indicator of
who to hire as an inspector.

That is what I read from his comments on this point.

As far as Illinois goes, there are few people that ever ask to see my license
either. If someone cannot afford $28 a year in Texas to renew their
license, then I doubt if they will last very long.

Texas does not make much money off my license fee. Another urban
legend about licensing is that the state just wants to make money from
me. It does not play out in reality here.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

I try not to read into the article my ideas...

The man seems to be saying that he sees this filtering process (E&O and
licensing fees) as a good thing to eliminate the bad from the good.

For better or worse... he is not condemning this process in his state,
and actually points this out, in his article, as a positive indicator of
who to hire as an inspector.

That is what I read from his comments on this point.

As far as Illinois goes, there are few people that ever ask to see my license
either. If someone cannot afford $28 a year in Texas to renew their
license, then I doubt if I would hire them. Texas does not make much
money off of me.

Hopefully, when you read...you bring your prior knowledge and experience with you as you discern and interpret what the writer has to say. If not, I urge you never to read anything written by Osama bin Laden.

If you do with Mr. Jower's article, you find 750 Tennessee inspectors who - last year - had no problem paying the fees and carrying the required insurance. What factor(s) changed....from last year to this....that would make those expenses unaffordable.

Let's see...would it be an INCREASE in business that brought them MORE than the expected amount of capital? Would it be the prospect of CONTINUED good business to offset the costs of being in business?

Jowers is an ASHI bum who cherishes anything that eliminates his competition. He has shown that in other articles. What he accidentally did, here, was show how the market...not the legislation....is eliminating his competition, which is the way it should be.

Frankly, John, I think it is your lust to be governed that limits your abilities to freely discern these facts with an open mind.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Hopefully, when you read...you bring your prior knowledge and experience with you as you discern and interpret what the writer has to say. If not, I urge you never to read anything written by Osama bin Laden.

PASS

If you do with Mr. Jower's article, you find 750 Tennessee inspectors who - last year - had no problem paying the fees and carrying the required insurance. What factor(s) changed....from last year to this....that would make those expenses unaffordable.

Let's see...would it be an INCREASE in business that brought them MORE than the expected amount of capital? Would it be the prospect of CONTINUED good business to offset the costs of being in business?

We agree on the obvious.

Jowers is an ASHI bum who cherishes anything that eliminates his competition. He has shown that in other articles. What he accidentally did, here, was show how the market...not the legislation....is eliminating his competition, which is the way it should be.

Mr Jowers is stating in this article that the mandated licenseing fees and
insurance premiums are driving some to not renew these expenses (not just market
forces without legally mandated requirements). Read the article again.

For better or worse, he sees this as a way to separate the good from the bad.
I am just reading what he says.

Frankly, John, I think it is your lust to be governed that limits your abilities to freely discern these facts with an open mind.

I am just reading what he says.

Notice, I have not implied you have some kind of inner brain damage
or condescending mocking remarks. Treat me like you want me to
treat you.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Notice, I have not implied you have some kind of inner brain damage
or condescending mocking remarks. Treat me like you want me to
treat you.

I apologize for being rude.

In the free states, we are fighting some pretty well funded and underhanded opponents and I am quick to the sword when I don't have to be.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I apologize for being rude.

In the free states, we are fighting some pretty well funded and underhanded opponents and I am quick to the sword when I don't have to be.

I have much respect for your opinions and have learned much from your
comments. I think most of what you say about licensing is very true.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

I have much respect for your opinions and have learned much from your
comments. I think most of what you say about licensing is very true.

I appreciate that and I have to force myself, sometimes, to accept that there are licensed states --- and that someone becoming a home inspector under an existing law will not feel the same sense of loss and intrusion as will one who was a home inspector before the law.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I appreciate that and I have to force myself, sometimes, to accept that there are licensed states --- and that someone becoming a home inspector under an existing law will not feel the same sense of loss and intrusion as will one who was a home inspector before the law.

Exactly.

I hear all the veracity about licensing laws and I wonder what place
they are talking about. When I find out that they are talking about
my area, I am dumb struck with amazement. I don't live on the
planet they are talking about. Not even close.

So yeah, I think we can both learn from each other.

In the mean time, you can call me numb nuts from time to time
as a token of your affection for me...

[klott]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

I try not to read into the article my ideas...

The man seems to be saying that he sees this filtering process (E&O and
licensing fees) as a good thing to eliminate the bad from the good. That is a crock of *****, to judge an inspector by his willingness to bow to the insurance companies and licensing boards, rather than his abilities and/or work ethic, is pathetic.

For better or worse... he is not condemning this process in his state,
and actually points this out, in his article, as a positive indicator of
who to hire as an inspector.

That is what I read from his comments on this point.

As far as Illinois goes, there are few people that ever ask to see my license
either. If someone cannot afford $28 a year in Texas to renew their
license, then I doubt if they will last very long.

Texas does not make much money off my license fee. Another urban
legend about licensing is that the state just wants to make money from
me. It does not play out in reality here.

What a marketing strategy."Are you Certified? "NO, but I do have E&O! "Great, that's all that matters!"