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Old 10/3/12, 6:14 PM
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Has anyone here had problems in the InspectionNews Forums??? I got the heck beat out of me over there and it all started over a discussion about petri dishes.

It was the worst ride of my life and they even bad mouthed InterNACHI which made me mad!!

I think that site sucks now and I rarely venture over that way.

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Old 10/3/12, 6:25 PM
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Has anyone here had problems in the InspectionNews Forums??? I got the heck beat out of me over there and it all started over a discussion about petri dishes.

It was the worst ride of my life and they even bad mouthed InterNACHI which made me mad!!

I think that site sucks now and I rarely venture over that way.
If you are going to go against:

Caoimhín P. Connell
Forensic Industrial Hygienist

good luck.

You will find some "friendly" mold guys here but I tend to agree with Mr. Connell more often than not.

There is indeed a lot of snake oil out there with regard to mold testing.



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Old 10/3/12, 6:31 PM
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It's the Lisa gang-rape site IMHO. Stay off it.



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Old 10/3/12, 6:51 PM
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Someone sent me this great thread starter from a competing message board:

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I just attended the ASHI School in Des Plaines for two weeks. I have to admit, I was really disappointed. They charge $3,499 and don't even have the decency to provide you with breakfast or lunch. You're in class from 8-5 where all the "instructors" really do is read slides that you were already supposed to review on your own before attending.

The field inspections were also not very educational. They have 12 students trying to follow two inspectors and you don't get much hands on experience.

They also say they're going to explain the software they recommend, Horizon. But, none of them ever have used Horizon so they basically tell you that you're on your own.

This school is a racket, I would avoid it at all costs. We were even given $8 GFCI testers one day to use, and they asked for them back. How cheap can you be?
LOL. I guess all competing message boards aren't bad.



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Old 10/3/12, 6:52 PM
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Yeah the topic showed up in my e-mail about petri dishes and Prolab so I jumped in. We I did tell them it was my understanding that petri dishes should not be used in mold testing unless you have an air impactor. That is where it all stated.

Mr Connell saw fit to set me straight right quick. He said a petris dish is not good even with a air impactor. He basically said if you see mold clean it up and testing was basically worthless. I dont have the exact quote here but could find it if interested.

Well it went back and forth and other chinned in and ganged up on me! I was one man against several for two days now. It got very ugly I had to get out of there I was fuming mad.

After we had words this Connel told me I was a chaloton, ripping people off and all sorts of names it was disgusting! They took turn hitting me like a gang would do on one man! It was very unprofessional and I have lost all respect for these people.

Mr Connel in my book is arrogant, high minded, it is his way or the highway! Who could learn anything from a man like that?

I have a suspicion that Mr Connel work as a witness for larger corporation that need defense against mold litigation. So I beleive he is on the other side of the fence. Mold Inspectors like myself are the enemy on what he may stand for.... just my perception.

I do beleive Mold Testing has it merits and agree any Billy Bob out there can hang up a shingle and say there are an expert. My client many times want a mold inspection and testing and I will accommodate that.

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If you are going to go against:

Caoimhín P. Connell
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good luck.

You will find some "friendly" mold guys here but I tend to agree with Mr. Connell more often than not.

There is indeed a lot of snake oil out there with regard to mold testing.
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I fail to see the value in mold testing. Others will disagree.

Mold is everywhere.



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Old 10/3/12, 6:56 PM
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You got that right Nick it was a very hostile environment for me. It seems those guys were buddies of each other and all took turns belittling me to the nth degree. I thought inspectors on these forums should be like minded and learn from each other.. I thought wrong.

I doubt that I will ever go back to that site.

Thanks Nick : )


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Old 10/3/12, 7:07 PM
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Ok I was asked to do mold testing in a home where there was no visible mold and you could not smell it. But the lady that inherited the home said there had been a leak behind the tub faucet. There was no visible indication of water damage.

I did two mold test inside of two wall and several rooms of the home. The mold score was very high and a different mold than what was found outside.

I do home inspections but do get calls once in a while to do mold testing. I am there to serve the customer to give them piece of mind. Some individuals has illness and have been to doctors many times and they do not want to leave any stone unturned.

Mold testing can also tell you what kind of mold you have and if it is the highly toxic species. More care must be taken removing the highly toxic mold or professional remediation must be taken.

Certain species of mold can grow inside of the lungs, and other organ of the body. Mold can destroy a person imunes systlem and this happens all the time.

I have had calls from tenants that are renting from slumlords and their kids are having blooding noses, pneumonia and sick all the time. They would need mold testing to document the problem and take to courts if necessary. Unfortunate most tenants cannot afford mold testing.

The blanket statement some make like if you see mold just remove it ta daaa! Is to simplistic and dangerous to just rip it out not knowing what they are dealing with.

There are many other good reasons to test but this should do for now.

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Mold is everywhere.
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Ok I was asked to do mold testing in a home where there was no visible mold and you could not smell it. But the lady that inherited the home said there had been a leak behind the tub faucet. There was no visible indication of water damage.

I did two mold test inside of two wall and several rooms of the home. The mold score was very high and a different mold than what was found outside.

I do home inspections but do get calls once in a while to do mold testing. I am there to serve the customer to give them piece of mind. Some individuals has illness and have been to doctors many times and they do not want to leave any stone unturned.

Mold testing can also tell you what kind of mold you have and if it is the highly toxic species. More care must be taken removing the highly toxic mold or professional remediation must be taken.

Certain species of mold can grow inside of the lungs, and other organ of the body. Mold can destroy a person imunes systlem and this happens all the time.

I have had calls from tenants that are renting from slumlords and their kids are having blooding noses, pneumonia and sick all the time. They would need mold testing to document the problem and take to courts if necessary. Unfortunate most tenants cannot afford mold testing.

The blanket statement some make like if you see mold just remove it ta daaa! Is to simplistic and dangerous to just rip it out not knowing what they are dealing with.

There are many other good reasons to test but this should do for now.
Sorry, mostly baloney.

Read the EPA guide lines on mold.



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Old 10/3/12, 7:10 PM
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Wow sounds like ASHI is a cheap skate LOL


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I do beleive Mold Testing has it merits and agree any Billy Bob out there can hang up a shingle and say there are an expert. My client many times want a mold inspection and testing and I will accommodate that.
It might be a good idea to go to
Caoimhín P. Connell Forensic Industrial Hygenist
web site and spend some time reading .
I do belive he is trying to keep you out of court.
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Roy with all due respect I have lost all respect for Mr Connel and his gang of cohorts that beat the heck out of me for two days. If I post some of the things they said over here you would be shocked. I dont think I had better do that. They were like a pack of dogs!

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I fail to see the value in mold testing. Others will disagree.

Mold is everywhere. Read the EPA guide lines on mold.
This from those guidelines at http://www.epa.gov/mold/moldresources.html:

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Asthma and Mold

Molds can trigger asthma episodes in sensitive individuals with asthma. People with asthma should avoid contact with or exposure to molds.
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Health and Mold

How do molds affect people?
Some people are sensitive to molds. For these people, exposure to molds can cause symptoms such as nasal stuffiness, eye irritation, wheezing, or skin irritation. Some people, such as those with serious allergies to molds, may have more severe reactions. Severe reactions may occur among workers exposed to large amounts of molds in occupational settings, such as farmers working around moldy hay. Severe reactions may include fever and shortness of breath. Some people with chronic lung illnesses, such as obstructive lung disease, may develop mold infections in their lungs.
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You should be aware that although a substance may look like mold, a positive determination of whether it is mold or not can be made only by an expert and may require laboratory analysis for final confirmation. For about $50, some microbiology laboratories can tell you whether a sample sent to them on a clear strip of sticky household tape is mold or simply a substance that resembles it.



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Old 10/3/12, 7:18 PM
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I highly disagree it is not baloney no sir. They threw the EPA and CDC at me over and over on the other forum. There is some truth there but remember that is government and the government has been corrupted in many ways for a long time. Think about Fanny Mae and HUD they are corrupt but they are government. So the CDC and EPA is not the final truth of the matter. People are getting sick and dying out there. Who is going to help them? Sure wont be the government. If anything Obama want to put us old guys like me on a death panel! Trust the government blindly NOPE!

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Old 10/3/12, 7:22 PM
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Right on Nick, there are too many people down playing mold as if it is nothing. I think those guys on the other site were cheery picking from the CDC and EPA things like you may not always need to test for mold just remove it. They are taking that out of context.

Also if they have the toxic mold and some contractor just rips it out, he will spread it all over the house like cancer cells and make the problem worse.

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