Keith Swift and I are proposing a new Standards of Practice for the industry.

[rwand1]

Bad choice of the word "accountable". It appears the only person anyone is accountable to is your subjective review, and your ability to critique things to your standard.

Keep an open mind James it can do you no harm.

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by jbushart

To whomever chooses to exercise their rights of free speech to respond.

How does this fit in with COE 3.5?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Bad choice of the word "accountable". It appears the only person anyone is accountable to is your subjective review, and your ability to critique things to your standard.

Keep an open mind James it can do you no harm.

You told me, earlier, I need to be more subjective. There you go, flip flopping again.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jbowman

How does this fit in with COE 3.5?

Perfectly.

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Perfectly.

kewl.

[rwand1]

John

What about?

The NACHI member shall strive to improve the Home Inspection Industry by sharing his/her lessons and/or experiences for the benefit of all. This does not preclude the member from copyrighting or marketing his/her expertise to other Inspectors or the public in any manner permitted by law.

Sure looks like Keith was following the COE. But it depends on who is interpreting the rules.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jbowman

kewl.

LOL...It fits "perfectly" for both...the original poster and the responder...should be able to stand by their remarks.

This is in direct contrast to and is the criticism of this "red box" garbage, where the poster can be anonymous and not accountable.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rwand1

John

What about?



Sure looks like Keith was following the COE. But it depends on who is interpreting the rules.

Huh? Who ever said Keith violated the COE?

[rwand1]

James I suggest you go back and read what you suggested in your earlier posts.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by jbushart

LOL...It fits "perfectly" for both...the original poster and the responder...should be able to stand by their remarks.

What I like about NACHI is that pound for pound we have the least number of sacred cows of any association. Nowhere else do you see this level of open discussion and lack of committee-speak going on at the same time in the same place.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

What I like about NACHI is that pound for pound we have the least number of sacred cows of any association. Nowhere else do you see this level of open discussion and lack of committee-speak going on at the same time in the same place.

I'm with you, Joe.

Nick described the main function of this message board, earlier, and it is the proving ground for ideas. Many good ideas die quiet deaths in want of someone to present them well and to stand by them.

While I disagree with Keith's proposal for all of the reasons I have mentioned, I am still disappointed that he chose not to debate and defend it...but, instead, to withdraw from the discussion in the face of harsh opposition. But that is his right, as well.

[Charley L. Bottger]

Originally Posted by jbushart

You are so right.

Read the tech threads and you can tell the HVAC guys (who dedicate 2/3rds of their reports to this one system) from the electricians (who do the same).

We all have our areas that we direct the most of our attention toward. I think it makes us human.

I would like to speak for at least this HVAC guy here
James you have no clue what you are talking about you see the HVAC and electricans talking about their trade on this board have you in earnest actually seen one of my reports or any other Techs report or are you just blowing smoke as usual.

I have less commentary in my reports about the HVAC system than any other component of an inspection. When I complete an inspection of the HVAC system it either works or it does not. I do not fill my reports with a bunch of junk verbage that the client does not under stand or even care about. I do not try to impress anyone.

I simply post a little of my knowledge about my trade on this board and hope that someone may benefit from it and I like to have a little fun while doing it.

What is your field of expertise perhaps smoke and mirrors

[Keith Swift, PhD.]

I just returned from visiting at the Finger Lakes chapter in New York. I flew across America at 39000 feet, and from that height the land looked like a quilt my grandmother might have made: patches of brown, green, and gold, faded by time. What a change it was to go from a smoggy and noisy megalopolis to the clean clear air and peaceful lowlands of Elmira. It was as though I was transported back in time to a village in England where I was given an old-world welcome and taken to a meeting on a boat on a river, where John Bowman, Mike Capalupo, and two insurance executives and I reminisced about how rapidly the industry has grown and changed in the last few years, and how weak and ineffectual our standards now seem. Change is essential, but many people resist it--some vehemently. I am reminded of Galileo who peered through his telescope and observed: “E pur si muove” (but it does move), and indeed it did, but he was punished for daring to say so. Not that I dare compare myself with Galileo: God knows I’ve never had an original thought in my life. It’s just that I saw the incursion of ASTM into our industry as a sentinel of things to come, decided to read our standards (for the first time, actually), and saw a document that is poorly written and of questionable value. For instance, I saw that inspectors shall “report as in need of repair electric furnaces which do not operate.” (2-4 1-B) Well, if they do not operate I guess they need to be repaired, but what about gas furnaces or oil furnaces? (Note: Nick may have already had these changed) Similarly, I saw that we were obligated to “report as in need of repair any spacings between intermediate balusters” that are greater than “four inches in diameter.” (2.2 1C) But how do you repair spacings? And if we’re going to apply this one specific detail of a very sensible code that’s intended to protect minor children why don’t we apply the standard that regulates the minimum height and width of the handrail? And if we’re genuinely concerned about safety, why is it that we don’t check to see if sliders have tempered glass. Haven’t we all heard about the thousands of horrible accidents caused by people walking into plate-glass sliders? Or, don’t we care? I think we do. Every inspector that I know does, and I’ll think you’ll find that our insurance carriers care even more. In fact, I thought that I was going to have to administer CPR to one insurance executive friend of mine when he realized that the NACHI standards require us to inspect “retaining walls.” (2.2 1E) However, these were just random follies that I noted, and which I casually pointed out to Nick in conversation to explain that I didn’t want to clean up the standards, but to rewrite them entirely. But, as I also told Nick, I have no ego invested in this; it was a rather simple exercise in discursive writing, and just a rough draft at that, which would need to be scrutinized by a committee involving industry leaders and attorneys. And, in truth, it was merely my way of doing something for Nick and the membership. Regardless, change will come one way or another, and does it need to be pointed out that the eyes of the industry are upon NACHI? Change is essential to life and growth, and death has a way of letting us know when we’re done.

[Richard L. Bennett]

Keith

Now you know why some of use our own SOP

Point well taken that NACHI's are in need of some work (language if nothing more)

My thought are that the SOP is more for the inspector that it is the client

We read it and the client doesn't

rlb

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by kswift

Regardless, change will come one way or another, and does it need to be pointed out that the eyes of the industry are upon NACHI? Change is essential to life and growth, and death has a way of letting us know when we’re done.

Thanks Keith I do hope we get a finished set that we all can compair to what we have and then I will voice my thoughts on Good bad or where I feel changes are the best idea.
I hope we can get some constructive ideas to give you for our thoughts of improvement.