McCain Lives in a Glass House

[James H. Bushart]

...and should not throw stones.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

...and should not throw stones.

James,

That video is a hit piece that severely distorts the record especially the last two minutes.

What exactly did McCain do as his part of the Keating five?

Do you think he was treated fairly compared to the others involved.?

On April 9, 1987, a two-hour meeting[4] with three members of the FHLBB San Francisco branch was held, again in DeConcini's office, to discuss the government's investigation of Lincoln.[11][7] Present were Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, McCain, and additionally Riegle.[7] The regulators felt that the meeting was very unusual and that they were being pressured by a united front, as the senators presented their reasons for having the meeting.[7] DeConcini began the meeting by saying, "We wanted to meet with you because we have determined that potential actions of yours could injure a constituent."[13] McCain said, "One of our jobs as elected officials is to help constituents in a proper fashion. ACC [American Continental Corporation] is a big employer and important to the local economy. I wouldn't want any special favors for them.... I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper." Glenn said, "To be blunt, you should charge them or get off their backs," while DeConcini said, "What's wrong with this if they're willing to clean up their act? ... It's very unusual for us to have a company that could be put out of business by its regulators."[7] The regulators then revealed that Lincoln was under criminal investigation on a variety of serious charges, at which point McCain severed all relations with Keating.[7] Glenn continued to help Keating after that revelation, by setting up a meeting with then-House Majority Leader Jim Wright, which turned out to be the only questionable thing Glenn did throughout the whole affair.[14]
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Sounds to me like McCain did the right thing when he was given sufficient information of an impending criminal investigation. It may also be helpful to realize that McCain was a congressmen at the time the Keating scandal occurred.

Now about those Obama character issues. Hmmm?

[John McKenna]

What was McCain found guilty of.?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...ack_on_ob.html

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

James,

That video is a hit piece that severely distorts the record especially the last two minutes.

What exactly did McCain do as his part of the Keating five?

Do you think he was treated fairly compared to the others involved.?

On April 9, 1987, a two-hour meeting[4] with three members of the FHLBB San Francisco branch was held, again in DeConcini's office, to discuss the government's investigation of Lincoln.[11][7] Present were Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, McCain, and additionally Riegle.[7] The regulators felt that the meeting was very unusual and that they were being pressured by a united front, as the senators presented their reasons for having the meeting.[7] DeConcini began the meeting by saying, "We wanted to meet with you because we have determined that potential actions of yours could injure a constituent."[13] McCain said, "One of our jobs as elected officials is to help constituents in a proper fashion. ACC [American Continental Corporation] is a big employer and important to the local economy. I wouldn't want any special favors for them.... I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper." Glenn said, "To be blunt, you should charge them or get off their backs," while DeConcini said, "What's wrong with this if they're willing to clean up their act? ... It's very unusual for us to have a company that could be put out of business by its regulators."[7] The regulators then revealed that Lincoln was under criminal investigation on a variety of serious charges, at which point McCain severed all relations with Keating.[7] Glenn continued to help Keating after that revelation, by setting up a meeting with then-House Majority Leader Jim Wright, which turned out to be the only questionable thing Glenn did throughout the whole affair.[14]
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Sounds to me like McCain did the right thing when he was given sufficient information of an impending criminal investigation. It may also be helpful to realize that McCain was a congressmen at the time the Keating scandal occurred.

Now about those Obama character issues. Hmmm?

So devoted are you to the Independent that the Republicans nominated this year....that it took you four minutes to respond to my post of a 13 and a half minute tape.

Had you actually watched it, Mike...you would see the irrelevence of your response.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

What was McCain found guilty of.?

Exercising poor judgment...a trait that his choice for VPILF proves he has yet to correct. Additionally, as recent as March of this year - his response to the mortgage crisis (before it became a Wall Street crisis) was to call for MORE DEREGULATION.

McCain is totally out of touch and should limit his political service to those who elected him to the Senate....and leave the rest of us the hell alone.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

So devoted are you to the Independent that the Republicans nominated this year....that it took you four minutes to respond to my post of a 13 and a half minute tape.

Had you actually watched it, Mike...you would see the irrelevence of your response.

I responded and then finished the hit piece.
I then added additional comments. Some problem with that?

The hit piece tries to blame McCain for the current crisis.
It has been repeatedly demonstrated that that is not true.

You believe differently?

[George A. H. Luck]

James, you want an example of poor judgement? Look no farther than that buffoon V.P. candidate Biden and the 'leader of change' who picked this pillar of Washington as usual from inside the beltway.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gluck

James, you want an example of poor judgement? Look no farther than that buffoon V.P. candidate Biden and the 'leader of change' who picked this pillar of Washington as usual from inside the beltway.

I hear you...and I hear Mike.

This is what I hear....

"My candidate sucks and I don't want to discuss how much he sucks. I would prefer to talk about how his opponent also sucks."

This is how sad this election really is.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I hear you...and I hear Mike.

This is what I hear....

"My candidate sucks and I don't want to discuss how much he sucks. I would prefer to talk about how his opponent also sucks."

This is how sad this election really is.

No one is debating that fact that they both suck but for you to come here and post an obvious hit piece and then cry foul is just messed up.

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

McCain - The economy is fundamentally strong...

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

Mishaps mark John McCain's record as naval aviator



This photo provided by the Library of Congress shows John McCain, front right, with his squadron in 1965


Three crashes early in his career led Navy officials to question or fault his judgment.

John McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider on an overcast Texas morning in 1960 when he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay and sheared the skin off his plane's wings.

McCain recounted the accident decades later in his autobiography. "The engine quit while I was practicing landings," he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.


The 23-year-old junior lieutenant wasn't paying attention and erred in using "a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn," investigators concluded.

The crash was one of three early in McCain's aviation career in which his flying skills and judgment were faulted or questioned by Navy officials.

In his most serious lapse, McCain was "clowning" around in a Skyraider over southern Spain about December 1961 and flew into electrical wires, causing a blackout, according to McCain's own account as well as those of naval officers and enlistees aboard the carrier Intrepid. In another incident, in 1965, McCain crashed a T-2 trainer jet in Virginia.


After McCain was sent to Vietnam, his plane was destroyed in an explosion on the deck of an aircraft carrier in 1967. Three months later, he was shot down during a bombing mission over Hanoi and taken prisoner. He was not faulted in either of those cases and was later lauded for his heroism as a prisoner of war.

As a presidential candidate, McCain has cited his military service -- particularly his 5 1/2 years as a POW. But he has been less forthcoming about his mistakes in the cockpit.

The Times interviewed men who served with McCain and located once-confidential 1960s-era accident reports and formerly classified evaluations of his squadrons during the Vietnam War. This examination of his record revealed a pilot who early in his career was cocky, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits.

In today's military, a lapse in judgment that causes a crash can end a pilot's career. Though standards were looser and crashes more frequent in the 1960s, McCain's record stands out.

"Three mishaps are unusual," said Michael L. Barr, a former Air Force pilot with 137 combat missions in Vietnam and an internationally known aviation safety expert who teaches in USC's Aviation Safety and Security Program. "After the third accident, you would say: Is there a trend here in terms of his flying skills and his judgment?"

Jeremiah Pearson, a Navy officer who flew 400 missions over Vietnam without a mishap and later became the head of human spaceflight at NASA, said: "That's a lot. You don't want any. Maybe he was just unlucky."

Naval aviation experts say the three accidents before McCain's deployment to Vietnam probably triggered a review to determine whether he should be allowed to continue flying. The results of the review would have been confidential.

The Times asked McCain's campaign to release any military personnel records in the candidate's possession showing how the Navy handled the three incidents. The campaign said it would have no comment.

Navy veterans who flew with McCain called him a good pilot.

"John was what you called a push-the-envelope guy," said Sam H. Hawkins, who flew with McCain's VA-44 squadron in the 1960s and now teaches political science at Florida Atlantic University. "There are some naval aviators who are on the cautious side. They don't get out on the edges, but the edges are where you get the maximum out of yourself and out of your plane. That's where John operated. And when you are out there, you take risks."

The young McCain has often been described as undisciplined and fearless -- a characterization McCain himself fostered in his autobiography.

"In his military career, he was a risk-taker and a daredevil," said John Karaagac, a lecturer at Johns Hopkins' School of Advanced International Studies and the author of a book on McCain. "What was interesting was that he got into accidents, and it didn't rattle his nerves. He takes hits and still stands."

McCain, the son and grandson of admirals, had a privileged status in the Navy. He was invited to the captain's cabin for dinner on the maiden voyage of the Enterprise in 1962, a perk other aviators and sailors attributed to his famous name, recalled Gene Furr, an enlisted man who shared an office and went on carrier deployments with McCain over three years.

On another occasion, McCain was selected to make a commemorative landing on the Enterprise and had his picture taken in front of a cake in the officers' galley, Furr said.

McCain's commanders sarcastically dubbed him "Ace McCain" because of his string of pre-Vietnam accidents, recalled Maurice Rishel, who commanded McCain's VA-65 squadron in early 1961, when it was deployed in the Mediterranean. Still, Rishel said, "he did his job."

[Michael Larson]

That article is a travesty.

To paint McCain in that way is beyond hate and borders on treachery and for you to post is is at least asinine.

Read about the USS Forestall Fire that McCain had nothing to do with other than run through the fire to safety.

I have even seem some luny leftist try and blame McCain for the fire. To call then idiots is too kind,

1967 Fire


Rupertus (DD-851) aids firefighting efforts on Forrestal during the 1967 fire.


Main article: 1967 USS Forrestal fire
In July 1967, Forrestal departed Norfolk for duty in waters off Vietnam. In the Gulf of Tonkin on 29 July, Forrestal had been launching aircraft from her flight deck. For four days, the planes of Attack Carrier Air Wing 17 flew about 150 missions against targets in North Vietnam from the ship. On July 29, 1967, during preparation for another strike, a Zuni rocket misfired, knocking off an external tank on another aircraft. Fuel from the leaking tank caught fire creating a massive conflagration that burned for hours, killing 134, injuring 161, destroying 21 aircraft and costing the Navy $72 million.[3]

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Exercising poor judgment...a trait that his choice for VPILF proves he has yet to correct. Additionally, as recent as March of this year - his response to the mortgage crisis (before it became a Wall Street crisis) was to call for MORE DEREGULATION.

McCain is totally out of touch and should limit his political service to those who elected him to the Senate....and leave the rest of us the hell alone.

You sound like an Obama (your hero) sound bite.

McCain initiated legislation to stop Fannie and Freddie corruption and
the Democrats refused it. The only deregulation McCain has called
for are the complex regulation and taxes that keep business from
creating more jobs.

It is Obama who received more money in the last two years from
Freddie and Fannie than all his peers, because he was helping
them push sub prime loans on the market place. It is the sub-
prime loans that started the collapse rolling.

You need to read something other than Obama bites.

If McCains greatest mistake in decades of service is a one time
deal with "poor judgement", then I wish everyone could do as
well.

Why do you love Obama the socialist and gun hater?

[Michael Larson]

Obama is a Chicago political thug.

He has no other claim.

He has convinced half the electorate to vote him either because the hate the current administration or because they suffer from white guilt.

[Michael Larson]

Joey highly edited the LA Times piece to slander McCain.

In the same piece it contains the following:

In Vietnam

McCain was a pilot on the carrier Forrestal, off the coast of Vietnam, when one of the worst accidents in Navy history killed 134 crew members and damaged or destroyed various aircraft, including McCain's.

On July 29, 1967, he and other pilots were preparing for a bombing raid when a Zuni rocket from one of the planes misfired.

The rocket hit the plane next to McCain's, killing the pilot, igniting jet fuel and touching off a chain of explosions, according to the Navy investigation. McCain, who jumped from the nose of his jet and ran through the flames, suffered minor shrapnel wounds.

Three months later, McCain was on his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when a surface-to-air missile struck his A-4 attack jet. He was flying 3,000 feet above Hanoi.

A then-secret report issued in 1967 by McCain's squadron said the aviators had learned to stay at an altitude of 4,000 to 10,000 feet in heavy surface-to-air missile environments and look for approaching missiles.

"Once the SAM was visually acquired, it was relatively easy to outmaneuver it by a diving maneuver followed by a high-G pull-up. The critical problem comes during multiple SA-II attacks (6-12 missiles), when it is not possible to see or maneuver with each missile."

The American aircraft had instruments that warned pilots with a certain tone when North Vietnamese radar tracked them and another tone when a missile locked on them.

In his autobiography, McCain said 22 missiles were fired at his squadron that day. "I knew I should roll out and fly evasive maneuvers, 'jinking,' in fliers' parlance, when I heard the tone," he wrote. But, he said, he continued on and released his bombs. Then a missile blew off his right wing.

Vietnam veterans said McCain did exactly what they did on almost every mission.

Frank Tullo, an Air Force pilot who flew 100 missions over North Vietnam, said his missile warning receiverconstantly sounded in his cockpit.

"Nobody broke off on a bombing run," said Tullo, later a commercial pilot and now an accident investigation instructor at USC. "It was a matter of manhood."