More Guns, Less Crime

[John McKenna]

More Guns, Less Crime

Paul Helmke and Dennis Henigan -- spokesmen for the beleaguered Brady Campaign these days -- are old enough to know what a phonograph record is, so for their benefit we'll put it this way: At the risk of sounding like a "broken record," gun ownership has risen to an all-time high, and violent crime has fallen to a 35-year low. Coinciding with a surge in gun purchases that began shortly before the 2008 elections, violent crime decreased six percent between 2008 and 2009, according to the FBI. This included an eight percent decrease in murder and a nine percent decrease in robbery.

Since 1991, when total violent crime peaked, it has decreased 43 percent to a 35-year low. The murder rate, less than half what it was in 1980, is now at a 45-year low. Throughout, the number of guns that Americans own has risen by about four million a year, including record numbers of the two types of firearms that the Brady folks would most like to see banned -- handguns and the various firearms they call "assault weapons."

Predictions that increasing the number of guns would cause crime to increase have been proven profoundly lacking in clairvoyance. One of our favorite gems comes from the Brady outfit, when it was known as the National Council to Control Handguns: "There are now 40 million handguns. . . . the number could build to 100 million. . . . the consequences can be terrible to imagine," the group warned in the mid-1970s.

"Terrible consequences" indeed, for gun control supporters. The number of handguns has reached almost 100 million; waiting periods, purchase permits, and prohibitions on carrying firearms for protection have been dismantled in state after state; gun ownership has soared; and violent crime has plummeted.



It's nice to see conservatives are right again.

[mnahrgang]

No surprise there...

I think it's hilarious when libs hate our self assurance and self confidence. Nobody can be that confident can they?

Well, when you are right most of the time, confidence builds. I guess that explains why libs are so "open minded".

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

More shallow illogical thinking from RWNJ ilk who believe only conservatives possess & carry guns.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

More shallow illogical thinking from RWNJ ilk who believe only conservatives possess & carry guns.

non sequitur.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

non sequitur.

Conservatives... Nonsense

[mnahrgang]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

More shallow illogical thinking from RWNJ ilk who believe only conservatives possess & carry guns.

Who said that? I said that the result is exactly what the conservatives said they would be. Conservative know that liberals have guns. The difference it, conservatives have guns to protect their rights and liberties, liberals have guns to force others to their way of thinking or kill them (kind of like terrorists.)

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

More shallow illogical thinking from RWNJ ilk who believe only conservatives possess & carry guns.

When did liberals in Washington start supporting pro gun laws?
That is what I am talking about.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

When did liberals in Washington start supporting pro gun laws?
That is what I am talking about.

This from someone who in all likelihood is already on some government watch-list. Thing is... guns, abortion, book-burning all topics to fire up the faithful, but in the end nothing ever really changes.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by mnahrgang

Who said that? I said that the result is exactly what the conservatives said they would be. Conservative know that liberals have guns. The difference it, conservatives have guns to protect their rights and liberties, liberals have guns to force others to their way of thinking or kill them (kind of like terrorists.)

LOL, bend over and grab your ankles... You know you want to.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

This from someone who in all likelihood is already on some government watch-list. Thing is... guns, abortion, book-burning all topics to fire up the faithful, but in the end nothing ever really changes.

You did not read the article. Gun rights and ownership have gone
way way up, while crime as gone down. That is all the results
of conservatives efforts. Regarding your liberal politicians... thanks
for nothing....

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

LOL, bend over and grab your ankles... You know you want to.

Tell us what it feels like. Some of us have no idea.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

You did not read the article. Gun rights and ownership have gone
way way up, while crime as gone down. That is all the results
of conservatives efforts. Regarding your liberal politicians... thanks
for nothing....

You are so clueless that if you dressed in a clue skin, doused yourself in clue musk, and did the clue dance in the middle of a field of horny clues at the height of clue mating season, you still would not have a clue.

Here is a clue... Conservatives are a minority in America who have always owned guns, if there is a grand increase in gun ownership it ain't coming from the sector who already owns guns, it is coming from another source, most likely liberal or moderate Americans who are first-time gun buyers.

End of lesson.

[Rob London]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

You did not read the article. Gun rights and ownership have gone
way way up, while crime as gone down

In grade school, they taught us the difference between causation and correlation.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

You are so clueless that if you dressed in a clue skin, doused yourself in clue musk, and did the clue dance in the middle of a field of horny clues at the height of clue mating season, you still would not have a clue.

Here is a clue... Conservatives are a minority in America who have always owned guns, if there is a grand increase in gun ownership it ain't coming from the sector who already owns guns, it is coming from another source, most likely liberal or moderate Americans who are first-time gun buyers.

End of lesson.

You still have not told me who all the pro gun liberals are.
Oh... I see you have avoided that little point. Again, thanks
for nothing.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by rlondon

In grade school, they taught us the difference between causation and correlation.

Really?, apparently they didn't teach you how to interpret hard research.

Referring to the research done on the topic, The Chronicle of Higher Education reported that while most researchers support Lott's findings that right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime, some researchers doubt that concealed carry laws have any impact on violent crime, saying however that "Mr. Lott's research has convinced his peers of at least one point: No scholars now claim that legalizing concealed weapons causes a major increase in crime."[21] As Lott critics Ian Ayres and John J. Donohue III pointed out: "We conclude that Lott and Mustard have made an important scholarly contribution in establishing that these laws have not led to the massive bloodbath of death and injury that some of their opponents feared. On the other hand, we find that the statistical evidence that these laws have reduced crime is limited, sporadic, and extraordinarily fragile."[22]