A new CMI formula. I've jumped to the other side of the fence.

[Nick Gromicko]

I just find it really funny that the fellas bashing CMI's requirements in the areas of experience and education have ICC certifications that required NO experience or education at all. Too funny.

You couldn't write this stuff if you tried.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I just find it really funny that the fellas bashing CMI's requirements in the areas of experience and education have ICC certifications that required NO experience or education at all. Too funny.

You couldn't write this stuff if you tried.

Actually I don't think someone without SOME experience could walk in and pass the ICC Exam....they would have to study and learn as the time frame limits you.....you can't sit and just PECK around in the NEC or IRC to find the answers...you only have 2 hours....2 minutes a question...so 60 questions.

But your point is valid...most like me who list the ICC is in ADDITION to the other qualifications...not really as a stand along certification and the ICC certification would probably do a HI no good at all....since they are not code officials....unless they just like seeing it on a business card.

I think the ICC tests are good for CONFIRMATION of what you know....kinda measuring stick if you will....but again not a stand alone thing I pride myself in very much.....hell the Masters exam for electrical made that look like a cake walk.......but since I speak alot on the NEC....it just adds additional confirmation to my dedication to my profession if you will.

BUT your point is WELL taken Nick........lol....you enjoy this TOO much..lol

[Nick Gromicko]

Lord help me... I am having fun. I just checked... ICC has no COE (like CMI has) and does not peform a background check (like CMI does)... so technically... the following sentence is true:

You can be ICC Certified even though you don't abide by a Code of Ethics, you are a convicted sex offender, you never took any courses at all, and you never did a single inspection.

LOL!

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing ICC, I just find it funny that the guys who point to their ICC Certification when complaining about CMI's education and experience requirements need to find something else to point at.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing ICC,

lol.....yeah you are....lol........just in a Corporate Way...lol

[Brian E. Kelly]

Why all the ICC talk, are the offering a new Master Inspector program?????????????

[Paul W. Abernathy]

lol.....Oh dear......I can see the jerry falwell pic coming anytime now.

[Blaine Wiley]

Nick,

The ICC cert only states that the inspector has completed a class(es) and passed an exam(s), albeit a fairly difficult one. It is just another feather in the inspectors hat to point to. It isn't set up or meant to be the all encompassing end all be all that CMI is attempting to be. Comparing the two does a disservice to both.

Realtors carry a GRI which those who have passed are very proud to add to their business cards. You had that designation as a Realtor, didn't you? That would be a similar cert to ICC.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

lol.....Oh dear......I can see the jerry falwell pic coming anytime now.

Why Paul, is JF a CMI?

I enjoy the Jr. High debate tactics as much as the next guy, but I thought this was the CMI thread???????????????????

[Brian E. Kelly]

I have kept my CWI cert current as you never know do you.

What I find most amusing about the debate as to which requirements are the best, is there is never any discussion about visual acuity?????????

Odd that a visual inspector would not be required get their eyes checked isn't it?

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

I have kept my CWI cert current as you never know do you.

What I find most amusing about the debate as to which requirements are the best, is there is never any discussion about visual acuity?????????

Odd that a visual inspector would not be required get their eyes checked isn't it?

You guys are to much....its great to laugh after a long (hot) day.....

No JF pictures Paul.

Just my CMI logo......

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Lord help me... I am having fun. I just checked... ICC has no COE (like CMI has) and does not peform a background check (like CMI does)... so technically... the following sentence is true:

You can be ICC Certified even though you don't abide by a Code of Ethics, you are a convicted sex offender, you never took any courses at all, and you never did a single inspection.

Nick,

As Brian would say "Beer just came out of my nose"........

[Doug Edwards, CMI]

I agree...you have to pass an eye exam and to test your manual dexterity...you have to be able to moonwalk better than Michael Jackson. As long as we are being ridiculous. I refer to my earlier post about the fly "specks" in the pepper.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by dedwards

I agree...you have to pass an eye exam and to test your manual dexterity...you have to be able to moonwalk better than Michael Jackson. As long as we are being ridiculous. I refer to my earlier post about the fly "specks" in the pepper.

I have had more than one visual inspection job in my lifetime Doug, most of them required and eye exam. Nothing ridiculous about expecting the HI that is hired to preform a VISUAL INSPECTION being able to see.

What you put in your pepper is your business.

[Joe Farsetta]

Blaine,

Paul's point was that ICC certification requires no courses, no education, and no experience. I know of several code officials in this region that were hired by the municipalities after taking some courses and passing the open book exam. None of the folks I refer to had a background in construction, or previous knowledge. So, they needed the course to pass the open book exam. Boom. They were ICC certified and hired. Now they officially decide which houses are safe, meet requirements, and are regarded as habitable.

In the world of inspections, there is a clear distinction between the role of the HI and the role of the AHJ. Simply put, we make the non-invasive visual assessment of the dwelling on the day of the inspection. We may not apply engineering principles or data in our inspection; such as deciding if a joist is overspanned. This would be the practice of Professional engineering, as defined within most states. As such, we deal at a different level of assessment.

The Building Code Official, on the other hand, takes on a much different role. This person decides the safety of the home, officially for the municipality. People's health and physical safety rely on the competancy of this person. Lately, the benchmark of qualification in this area, and quite often a hiring criteria, is the ICC Cert.

To me, it's ironic that no one bitches and moans that the ICC cert can be obtained by anyone, either with some courses or without. I have seen some inspectors tout the importance and relevence of their ICC certs. They believe it to be a necessary and valid benchmark by which inspectors can be judged. I shouldnt have to dredge up those recent posts. I may disagree with their spin, but respect their right to their opinion.

I am, however, stunned at the apparent inability by some to recognize that there are many valid paths to certification and subsequent titles. EG: there's more than one way to skin a cat. ICC proves this. GRI, for realtors, requires a short course and quick exam. Ths involves guiding folks through the largest single investment in their lives. Hey, no problem...

As to CMI, we've already established that a requesit number on inspections perfrmed verifies absolutely nothing. These inspections could have been done for $5 or $5000. They are meaningless. Cant verify if they were done correctly... So, what's the relevence? Number of years in business? Does that discount the master carpenter's life experience, ability to get licensed in their home state, or any other competent professional or tradesperson?

We argue against predatory practices by some other organizations relative to licensing requirements. Is CMI to go the same way? Is it a means to hold one back, or a path to the next level?

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

Blaine,
We argue against predatory practices by some other organizations relative to licensing requirements. Is CMI to go the same way? Is it a means to hold one back, or a path to the next level?

The way things are shaping up, niether.