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Old 11/25/07, 8:00 PM
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Old 11/25/07, 9:57 PM
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Nick

Maybe you should charge for this!! at least to non-members

I have one suggestion;

II. The inspector is not required to:
G. Move drop ceiling tiles.

Nick IMO The buyer is paying us to move or lift ceiling tiles we can see many systems ie. Electrical,HVAC etc. Are you sure you want this (G) item excluded?
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Old 11/25/07, 10:24 PM
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Nick

Maybe you should charge for this!! at least to non-members

I have one suggestion;




II. The inspector is not required to:
G. Move drop ceiling tiles.

Nick IMO The buyer is paying us to move or lift ceiling tiles we can see many systems ie. Electrical,HVAC etc. Are you sure you want this (G) item excluded?



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I did not read the standards ...but if this quotation is present it definitely needs removal.

50% of the important aspects of a commercial building are above the drop ceiling.

I also put in my agreement if any tiles are damaged from removal to do the inspection my client is responsible for the replacement costs.

But I have never broken one....fought my ***** of trying to get some back in, that's about it.

But they need to be removed in different locations so you can see the whole picture.

Her in AZ many buildings without Package H-C Units on the roof have Air Handlers above the ceiling...a view is mandatory for my inspections.
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Old 11/25/07, 10:26 PM
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Default Re: New International Standards of Practice for Inspecting Commercial Property.

With respect, I do not agree. I will remove some tiles to look at something, but I do not want to be required to remove every tile.
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Old 11/25/07, 10:26 PM
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It does look great though Nick...good work who ever did it.
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Old 11/25/07, 10:28 PM
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With respect, I do not agree. I will remove some tiles to look at something, but I do not want to be required to remove every tile.
Every tile?

I'm I missing something?
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Old 11/25/07, 10:28 PM
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With respect, I do not agree. I will remove some tiles to look at something, but I do not want to be required to remove every tile.
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We are not talking about removing all ceiling tiles.





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Old 11/25/07, 10:29 PM
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I did not read the standards ...but if this quotation is present it definitely needs removal.

50% of the important aspects of a commercial building are above the drop ceiling.

I also put in my agreement if any tiles are damaged from removal to do the inspection my client is responsible for the replacement costs.

But I have never broken one....fought my ***** of trying to get some back in, that's about it.

But they need to be removed in different locations so you can see the whole picture.

Her in AZ many buildings without Package H-C Units on the roof have Air Handlers above the ceiling...a view is mandatory for my inspections.

Totally agree Dale!!!





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Old 11/25/07, 10:35 PM
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Totally agree Dale!!!
It's simply great to be a builder in a past life) "A" Mario....... ...me anyway....

Hope your doing fine up there...and I'll see you in Vegas (if you go-to the convention).......
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It's simply great to be a builder in a past life) "A" Mario....... ...me anyway....

Hope your doing fine up there...and I'll see you in Vegas (if you go-to the convention).......
Dale

I will be going to Vegas for sure!!

And I served my entire apprenticeship in the Industrial/Commercial sector of the construction industry. I have installed thousands of square feet of T-Bar.
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Old 11/25/07, 10:43 PM
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Dale

I will be going to Vegas for sure!!

And I served my entire apprenticeship in the Industrial/Commercial sector of the construction industry. I have installed thousands of square feet of T-Bar.
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Me too....both...going to Vegas...and installed thousands of sq. ft. of drop ceiling grid/w panels................arrrrrrg...man I hated that......!!!!


Oops.....I never hated going to Vegas....sorry...had to edit...!!!!
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Old 11/25/07, 10:51 PM
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Me too....both...going to Vegas...and installed thousands of sq. ft. of drop ceiling grid/w panels................arrrrrrg...man I hated that......!!!!


Oops.....I never hated going to Vegas....sorry...had to edit...!!!!
Dale

Remind me to tell you about 1000' of ceiling I did in Daytona,Florida when I see you in Vegas!!





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Old 11/25/07, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: New International Standards of Practice for Inspecting Commercial Property.

So what happens if there is a structural problem underneath the ceiling tiles that was missed? Is it not better to let the inspector exceed the SOPs by than to open this area for litigation? It is written that it is "not required" to protect you. You should and always exceed the SOPs when you are comfortable doing so to better serve your customer.
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Old 11/25/07, 10:54 PM
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remove every other one or every third. Stick your head in there and look around



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So what happens if there is a structural problem underneath the ceiling tiles that was missed? Is it not better to let the inspector exceed the SOPs by than to open this area for litigation? It is written that it is "not required" to protect you. You should and always exceed the SOPs when you are comfortable doing so to better serve your customer.
James I don't drink.

But I'm having a hard time following you.

I use the SOP as a minimum standard to go with...in case a client just might want to pay for that.

My agreement in writing explains word for word what will be inspected and what will not be inspected.

Depends on what they want to pay for.
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