New International Standards of Practice for Inspecting Commercial Property.

[Dale Duffy]

Exactly Joe,

But keep posting because most people don't know that.

I happen to be one who does.....

[Joe Farsetta]

Dale,

How long do you, as an experienced commercial inspector, believe it would take to teach someone how to inspect a commercial AC system, taking into account all the varying configurations, rules, regs, implementation techniques, etc... discounting the ducted portions of the system, such as above ceiling supply plenum, return plenum, under floor data center configs, flex ducting, etc?

1 day, 2 days, 3 days? How long.

Before you answer, be sure to take into account all the different climates involved in the US.

Now... how long was this portion of a commercial inspection class, again? So when you ask if I teach how to inspect a building, I'll ask, within the realistic time constraints of conducting a CE class, where do you start? Everything is important. So, where.

Poly-phase electric?
Steel structure?
Flatwork?
ADA?
Where???

And, BECUSE you are experienced, is why I enjoy this banter between us. You get it. Many do not.

But, many want to delve into this arena. I teach them what they need to do. They can be experienced PMs and good marketeers, and impact any commercial real estate market with the right tact, knowledge, SME's available, and balls to do it.

AND, they can provide a kick-*** commercial inspection service to boot. Entertainment? Nope. Reality, yep.

For some, its a sign to stay the hell out of the commercial inspection game. Still taught them something, though.

[Nick Gromicko]

The SOP doesn't say you can't remove ceiling tiles and never did.

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

Dale,

How long do you, as an experienced commercial inspector, believe it would take to teach someone how to inspect a commercial AC system, taking into account all the varying configurations, rules, regs, implementation techniques, etc... discounting the ducted portions of the system, such as above ceiling supply plenum, return plenum, under floor data center configs, flex ducting, etc?

1 day, 2 days, 3 days? How long.

Before you answer, be sure to take into account all the different climates involved in the US.

Now... how long was this portion of a commercial inspection class, again? So when you ask if I teach how to inspect a building, I'll ask, within the realistic time constraints of conducting a CE class, where do you start? Everything is important. So, where.

Poly-phase electric?
Steel structure?
Flatwork?
ADA?
Where???

And, BECUSE you are experienced, is why I enjoy this banter between us. You get it. Many do not.

But, many want to delve into this arena. I teach them what they need to do. They can be experienced PMs and good marketeers, and impact any commercial real estate market with the right tact, knowledge, SME's available, and balls to do it.

AND, they can provide a kick-*** commercial inspection service to boot. Entertainment? Nope. Reality, yep.

For some, its a sign to stay the hell out of the commercial inspection game. Still taught them something, though.

Joe,

If someone does not know different configurations of systems, and what they are made of and how they function, and what material is used to construct the building I suggest they go to a school and learn that first.

I'm not asking you to teach someone those item, and the items you mentioned.

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, my father was a builder and so was I, therefore I can pinpoint something out of whack probably much easier than others, unless you have had hands on experience it would be very confusing.

I believe hands on experience is the only teacher.

So if your last job was a cashier at 7-11...it might take a while to catch on.

[Nick Gromicko]

I can get an 11 year old girl to do perfect commercial inspections using all outside consultants, hence section 11 of www.nachi.org/comsop.htm, provided she was able to learn to use a copier and a stapler.

A home inspection is much, much harder to perform. Don't be afraid of commercial inspections.

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I can get an 11 year old girl to do perfect commercial inspections using all outside consultants, hence section 11 of www.nachi.org/comsop.htm, provided she was able to learn to use a copier and a stapler.

A home inspection is much, much harder to perform. Don't be afraid of commercial inspections.

That's one of the wildest things you have said in a while. "Home inspections are much harder to perform"

The object of doing the commercial inspection yourself is to MAKE MONEY, not give it to other people, unless you don't have a clue in the world what the heck your doing, and if that is the case stay away from homes to.

"11 year old girl calling consultants" for krist sake..... ....what a scenario.......

[Joe Farsetta]

Dale,

Its true.

A commercial inspection requires a different set of qualities inthe individual, which starts with process, and includes projectmanagement skills..

If you do it all yourself, you MAY make more. I say MAY, because time os money. I could bring in a team, have them go over it in a much shorter timeframe, generate the report, or coordinate its assembly, get paid, and move on to the next one. My profit margin may be lower, but the opportunity to sell ancillary services higher.

So, there are trade offs.

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

Dale,

Its true.

A commercial inspection requires a different set of qualities inthe individual, which starts with process, and includes projectmanagement skills..

If you do it all yourself, you MAY make more. I say MAY, because time os money. I could bring in a team, have them go over it in a much shorter timeframe, generate the report, or coordinate its assembly, get paid, and move on to the next one. My profit margin may be lower, but the opportunity to sell ancillary services higher.

So, there are trade offs.

I know that Joe....I'm inspecting http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/ex/...s-_-ex-_-shwaz tomorrow in Show Low Arizona, it is a four hour drive from my office, I have the specialists lined up already...so of course there are different scenario's....I want in and out ASAP.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

The SOP doesn't say you can't remove ceiling tiles and never did.

Nick


You are probably playing with words. But if I give the SOP to a client he will automatically think that I will not inspect the plenum at least that's how I read it.

II. The inspector is NOT required to:

A. Inspect paint, wallpaper, window treatments or finish treatments.
B. Inspect central vacuum systems.
C. Inspect safety glazing.
D. Inspect security systems or components.
E. Evaluate the fastening of countertops, cabinets, sink tops and fixtures, or firewall compromises.
F. Move furniture, stored items, or any coverings like carpets or rugs in order to inspect the concealed floor structure.
G. Move drop ceiling tiles.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

Nick


You are probably playing with words. But if I give the SOP to a client he will automatically think that I will not inspect the plenum at least that's how I read it.

II. The inspector is NOT required to:

A. Inspect paint, wallpaper, window treatments or finish treatments.
B. Inspect central vacuum systems.
C. Inspect safety glazing.
D. Inspect security systems or components.
E. Evaluate the fastening of countertops, cabinets, sink tops and fixtures, or firewall compromises.
F. Move furniture, stored items, or any coverings like carpets or rugs in order to inspect the concealed floor structure.
G. Move drop ceiling tiles.
H. Plenum Ceilings requirements, wire rating, pipe insulation, PVC

Mario, I added one. ha. ha.

Marcel

[Peter C. Russell]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

Dale,

Its true.

A commercial inspection requires a different set of qualities inthe individual, which starts with process, and includes projectmanagement skills..

If you do it all yourself, you MAY make more. I say MAY, because time os money. I could bring in a team, have them go over it in a much shorter timeframe, generate the report, or coordinate its assembly, get paid, and move on to the next one. My profit margin may be lower, but the opportunity to sell ancillary services higher.

So, there are trade offs.

Joe, we have all heard the scenarios about commercial inspections, the one thing I have yet to hear is how to train " your team of experts " the art of inspecting.

Most are very good at identifying deficiencies but don't have a clue on how to accurately convey that information back to the team leader and therefore need to be carefully watched which adds costly time to not only their fee but to the overall inspection, especially writing the report.

When you come to NH I hope this management of the team is a part of your course.

Qualifying team members can sometimes be the most challenging part of the inspection as well as one that carries considerable risk.

[Nick Gromicko]

In response to my comment suggesting that you hire outside consultants as per number 11 of www.nachi.org/comsop.htm Dale writes

The object of doing the commercial inspection yourself is to MAKE MONEY, not give it to other people, unless you don't have a clue in the world what the heck your doing,

Uh, wrong. Very wrong. I know a bit about making money and owned 2 different inspection companies each with as many as 4, 2-man crews each, doing inspections galore, and at no time did I feel (nor did my CPA feel) that paying them money wasn't making me money.

A team is a team.

[Nick Gromicko]

I might be wrong though Dale, I'll watch Monday night football tonight and if the Rooney family is out there throwing blocks and kicking field goals, I'll owe you a big apology.

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I might be wrong though Dale, I'll watch Monday night football tonight and if the Rooney family is out there throwing blocks and kicking field goals, I'll owe you a big apology.

Your out of your frigging mind...............

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Originally Posted by prussell

Joe, we have all heard the scenarios about commercial inspections, the one thing I have yet to hear is how to train " your team of experts " the art of inspecting.

Most are very good at identifying deficiencies but don't have a clue on how to accurately convey that information back to the team leader and therefore need to be carefully watched which adds costly time to not only their fee but to the overall inspection, especially writing the report.

When you come to NH I hope this management of the team is a part of your course.

Qualifying team members can sometimes be the most challenging part of the inspection as well as one that carries considerable risk.

Peter, go here.
http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthrea...t=22769&page=3